Therapists in California

Find the best therapist in California for your needs on Grow Therapy. With 350 verified therapists in California, you can connect with licensed professionals who are currently accepting new patients. Grow Therapy verifies and credentials each California therapist to ensure they are active, available, and aligned with your needs. Whether you’re seeking support for family conflicts, grief, life transitions, California’s therapists offer compassionate, personalized care tailored to your unique circumstances.

Availability updated: 7/5/2025

Matthew Tapia

(he/him)

Matthew Tapia, LMFT - California Therapist at Grow Therapy

Frequently rebooked

$200/session
LMFT
12 years of experience
Virtual
As a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist in California, I help adults work through challenges like anxiety, depression, and relationship issues using approaches like ACT and CBT. I believe in collaborating with you so we can find hope and relief together.

Becca Paushter

(she/her)

Becca Paushter, LCSW - California Therapist at Grow Therapy
$175/session
LCSW
8 years of experience
Virtual
I'm a Licensed Clinical Social Worker in California, passionate about helping you navigate life transitions, trauma, anxiety, and more. Together, we'll create a safe, supportive space where you can explore your challenges and work toward a happier, healthier future.

Natashia L. Leonard

(she/her)

Natashia L. Leonard, LMFT - California Therapist at Grow Therapy
$200/session
LMFT
7 years of experience
Virtual
In-person
265 South Rando...
I am a licensed marriage and family therapist specializing in maternal mental health, particularly in areas related to Perinatal Mood and Anxiety Disorders, including postpartum depression and anxiety, pregnancy loss, and birth trauma. My focus is on supporting birthing-persons and families as they navigate the emotional challenges surrounding pregnancy, childbirth, and early parenthood. My approach is client-centered and compassionate, aimed at creating a safe and supportive environment where you can explore your feelings, build resilience, and develop effective coping strategies. Together, we will work towards your goals and empower you on your journey to emotional well-being.

Havi Wolfson Hall

Havi Wolfson Hall, LCSW - California Therapist at Grow Therapy

Frequently rebooked

$200/session
LCSW
25 years of experience
Virtual
As a Licensed Clinical Social Worker in California, I help adults and families manage life's transitions, anxiety, depression, and parenting challenges. Together, we can work through whatever you're facing so you don't have to do it alone.

Kattera Cordero

(she/her)

Kattera Cordero, LMFT - California Therapist at Grow Therapy

Frequently rebooked

$150/session
LMFT
12 years of experience
Virtual
I'm a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist in California, here to support you through challenges with anxiety, depression, self-esteem, and building healthier relationships. Together, we'll explore ways to find balance and confidence so you can create the life you want.

Dr. Sherry Glover

(she/her)

Dr. Sherry Glover, LCSW - California Therapist at Grow Therapy
$100/session
LCSW
33 years of experience
Virtual
I am a straight-forward but empathic therapist, who also appreciates the same from her clients. I also believe in the social work mission of starting where the client is, so sessions are based upon that analogy. I have experience in many areas, including hospital, foster care, group homes, forensics, Veterans, home health, etc. I received my Masters oof Social Science Administration from Case Western Reserve Univerity, and my Doctorate of Psychology from California Southern University.

Nia Ridgle

(she/her)

Nia Ridgle, LCSW - California Therapist at Grow Therapy
$375/session
LCSW
6 years of experience
Virtual
As a Licensed Clinical Social Worker in California, I help couples strengthen communication, resolve conflicts, and build deeper connections using approaches like CBT and eco-wellness. If you're seeking a blend of traditional and modern strategies for your relationship, I'm here to guide you toward positive change.

Crystal Tellez-Giron

(she/her)

Crystal Tellez-Giron, LCSW - California Therapist at Grow Therapy

Frequently rebooked

$120/session
LCSW
5 years of experience
Virtual
I, truly, believe there is no "one size fits all" to therapy, so I tailor the therapy experience to match your individual and unique needs. I'll support you in your healing journey as your "co-pilot" to help you navigate difficult emotional terrain. I aim to meet you where you are and allow you, the expert of your own lived experience, to take the driver's seat, while serving as your sound board in the passenger seat, gently pointing out your blind spots, to help you identify the best path to wellness and fulfillment for a quality life that aligns with your values.

Sarah Sack

(she/her)

Sarah Sack, LCSW - California Therapist at Grow Therapy

Frequently rebooked

$165/session
LCSW
4 years of experience
Virtual
In-person
2907 Stanford A...
I'm a Licensed Clinical Social Worker helping adults in California manage anxiety, depression, self-esteem, and life transitions through a supportive and whole-person approach. Together, we'll build skills and confidence so you can move toward a more joyful and resilient life.

Amber Potter

Amber Potter, LMFT - California Therapist at Grow Therapy
$180/session
LMFT
16 years of experience
Virtual
I'm a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist in California passionate about supporting adults as they navigate challenges like anxiety, grief, life transitions, and self-esteem. With over 15 years of experience, I offer a compassionate space to help you build on your strengths and create a meaningful, fulfilling life.

Tracee Couch

Tracee Couch, LMFT - California Therapist at Grow Therapy
$175/session
LMFT
14 years of experience
Virtual
If you're feeling overwhelmed or stuck in California, I'm a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist who helps teens and adults find new ways to cope with anxiety, depression, and life's challenges. I'll listen, encourage you, and work with you to break old patterns so you can rediscover joy and achieve your goals.

Tabitha Baldwin

(she/her)

Tabitha Baldwin, LMFT - California Therapist at Grow Therapy

Frequently rebooked

$150/session
LMFT
22 years of experience
Virtual
Hi! I’m a Licensed Professional Counselor and Marriage and Family Therapist in California, and I love supporting adults, teens, and children as they navigate anxiety, life transitions, and challenges like sadness or infertility. I’m passionate about listening to your story and helping you find a new path forward, whether you’re seeking faith-based support or simply a compassionate partner in your journey.

Rebecca Foster

Rebecca Foster, LMFT - California Therapist at Grow Therapy

Frequently rebooked

$140/session
LMFT
5 years of experience
Virtual
Are you feeling down, depressed, anxious, isolated, or overwhelmed with life? Hi! I’m Rebecca, a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist. I have a Bachelor’s degree in Psychology and a Master’s Degree in Clinical Mental Health Counseling. Providing therapy is not just a job for me, it is my passion. I have worked in the mental health field for over 10 years devoting my time and efforts in the non-profit world. I utilize a client-centered approach with my clients, focusing in on my clients’ strengths to help them achieve success. I like to tailor my interventions and strategies around each client’s needs. In the past, I have utilized CBT, DBT, motivational interviewing, and solution focused modalities. I have personal experience in the areas of depression, anxiety, stress, trauma, and addiction. I can personally relate to the issues that you are going through and want to be the support system that you need to get through this! I offer an empathetic, non-judgmental, and safe space to discuss and work on your issues. Let’s work together to help you succeed through your life journey.

Nelida Padron

(she/her)

Nelida Padron, LCSW - California Therapist at Grow Therapy

Frequently rebooked

$225/session
LCSW
14 years of experience
Virtual
As a Licensed Clinical Social Worker in California, I help teens and young adults work through challenges like anxiety, depression, and life changes. My focus is on supporting you to overcome what's holding you back so you can feel more confident and inspired in your daily life.

Mary Liesenberg

(she/her)

Mary Liesenberg, LCSW - California Therapist at Grow Therapy
$220/session
LCSW
15 years of experience
Virtual
I offer psychotherapy in California focused on your unique needs, using evidence-based approaches like cognitive behavioral therapy to help you manage stress, anxiety, trauma, and other mental health challenges. Together, we’ll set meaningful goals and work toward lasting change in your well-being.

Nathan Taylor

(he/him)

Nathan Taylor, LMFT - California Therapist at Grow Therapy
$150/session
LMFT
20 years of experience
Virtual
As a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist in California, I help adults address challenges like anxiety, trauma, and depression using EMDR and other proven approaches. I believe in creating a collaborative space where we can tailor your therapy to what you truly need, supporting you as you move toward your goals.

Tia Hartsock

(she/her)

Tia Hartsock, LPCC - California Therapist at Grow Therapy
$170/session
LPCC
4 years of experience
Virtual
I am a licensed therapist with extensive experience supporting individuals navigating anxiety, depression, trauma, and life transitions. I know that life happens, and we are all human, and as such, that is how I approach my treatment. I believe connection and shared experiences can be the most beneficial tool in therapy. I am passionate about fostering a safe, nonjudgmental space where clients feel empowered to explore their emotions, build resilience, and create meaningful change.

Feji Etibo

Feji Etibo, LMFT - California Therapist at Grow Therapy
$150/session
LMFT
6 years of experience
Virtual
As a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist in California, I support adults facing anxiety, trauma, depression, and life transitions by helping them understand the root of their struggles and develop greater awareness of the mind-body connection. My warm, integrative approach blends Psychodynamic, Internal Family Systems, Attachment-Based Therapy, and CBT to nurture your emotional well-being.

Brooke Barnidge

Brooke Barnidge, LCSW - California Therapist at Grow Therapy
$165/session
LCSW
4 years of experience
Virtual
I'm a Licensed Clinical Social Worker in California, and I help teens, adults, couples, and families navigate challenges like anxiety, depression, relationship issues, and life transitions. My goal is to create a supportive environment where you feel heard and empowered to overcome what you're facing.

Adrienne Yam

Adrienne Yam, LMFT - California Therapist at Grow Therapy

Frequently rebooked

$150/session
LMFT
1 year of experience
Virtual
I help teens, adults, and elders in California build healthier, more balanced lives and relationships through a blend of traditional talk therapy and holistic approaches, including mindfulness techniques. With experience supporting a diverse range of backgrounds, I offer compassionate guidance tailored to your needs and values.

Jennifer Purcell

(she/her)

Jennifer Purcell, LCSW - California Therapist at Grow Therapy
$190/session
LCSW
6 years of experience
Virtual
As a Licensed Clinical Social Worker in California, I help adults and older adults navigate challenges like depression, anxiety, bipolar disorder, and more. I strive to make therapy comfortable and goal-oriented, blending support and humor to help you build the skills you need.

Farah Hussain

(she/her)

Farah Hussain, LMFT - California Therapist at Grow Therapy
$170/session
LMFT
8 years of experience
Virtual
Hi! I am a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist based in California. I received my master's degree in Marriage in Family Therapy from USC (University of Southern California). I help adults navigate conflicts that may arise from cultural differences, such as generational gaps, cultural identity, family/relationship issues, and cultural/societal pressures by helping you utilize your values and goals to reconcile dilemmas and maintaining healthy relationships with yourself and others. I also help adults experiencing depression and anxiety by helping you challenge unhelpful thoughts, beliefs, behaviors as well as develop and utilize tools to reduce anxiety, depression, and stress that impact your day to day life.

Alyssa Gohata

(she/her)

Alyssa Gohata, LCSW - California Therapist at Grow Therapy

Frequently rebooked

$150/session
LCSW
4 years of experience
Virtual
Hi! I am a Licensed Clinical Social Worker (LCSW) based in the San Francisco Bay Area, California. I received my Masters in Social Work from California State University, Long Beach. I help teens and young adults navigate stress related to relationships (family, friends/peers, romantic relationships) as well as school and work stress. I also help individuals dealing with anxiety and depression to manage their symptoms and develop positive coping skills.

Marco Viteri

(he/him)

Marco Viteri, LMFT - California Therapist at Grow Therapy

Frequently rebooked

$130/session
LMFT
7 years of experience
Virtual
As a licensed Marriage and Family Therapist in California, I help adults work through anxiety, depression, trauma, and everyday stress by teaching practical coping skills and fostering resilience. Together, we’ll build tools that support you through life’s challenges so you can feel more grounded and hopeful.

Aleisha Lander

(she/her)

Aleisha Lander, LMFT - California Therapist at Grow Therapy
$100/session
LMFT
11 years of experience
Virtual
I'm a licensed marriage and family therapist serving California, and I create a supportive space for individuals and couples to work through challenges like anxiety, depression, relationship struggles, and substance misuse. My goal is to help you find effective coping skills and lasting growth using collaborative, evidence-based approaches tailored to your needs.

Karen Weaver

(she/her)

Karen Weaver, LMFT - California Therapist at Grow Therapy
$125/session
LMFT
10 years of experience
Virtual
I'm a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist helping adults and older adults in California manage anxiety, mood challenges, trauma, and relationship issues so you can become your best self.

Holly Merrill

(she/her)

Holly Merrill, LMFT - California Therapist at Grow Therapy

Frequently rebooked

$150/session
LMFT
10 years of experience
Virtual
As a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist in California, I support adults in overcoming anxiety and depression using evidence-based approaches like CBT, DBT, and EMDR. My aim is to help you navigate life's challenges so you can feel more in control and connected to your life.

Aviva Euripides

(she/xe)

Aviva Euripides, LMFT - California Therapist at Grow Therapy
$210/session
LMFT
25 years of experience
Virtual
I'm a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist serving adults and elders across California, offering practical and academically grounded support for concerns like depression, anxiety, self-esteem, and life changes. I work collaboratively with you to reach your goals and provide meaningful, relevant care for a diverse community.

Ann Eicker

(she/her)

Ann Eicker, LCSW - California Therapist at Grow Therapy
$150/session
LCSW
13 years of experience
Virtual
As a Licensed Clinical Social Worker in California, I help adults and parents navigate challenges like anxiety, depression, trauma, and perinatal mental health concerns. I offer therapy in both English and Spanish to support clients as they work toward greater well-being.

Susan Burns

(she/her)

Susan Burns, LCSW - California Therapist at Grow Therapy

Frequently rebooked

$120/session
LCSW
26 years of experience
Virtual
Hello there, I'm Susan. I have been in the mental health industry for over 26 years. I have worked with individuals with mild to moderate, to severe mental health challenges. I approach psychotherapy with sensitivity and patience and will always have my client's best interest in mind. I have extensive experience working with clients with Relationship Issues, Job Stress, General Stress, Parenting Stress, Couple Therapy, Communication, Conflict Management, Anxiety, Depression, Cultural Struggles, Guilt or Shame, Aging, Anger Management, Coping Skills, and Grief. My top modalities include Cognitive Behavioral Therapy, Motivational Interviewing, Coaching, Culturally Sensitive, Strength Based, Person Centered, and Solution Focused Brief Therapy. I look forward to patiently guide you through your journey of self-discovery to improve your mental health. To schedule an appointment or speak to a trained receptionist, please contact: 1 (786) 755-1863 or reception+Susan9749@growtherapy.com

Alana Fineo

(she/her)

Alana Fineo, LCSW - California Therapist at Grow Therapy

Frequently rebooked

$200/session
LCSW
15 years of experience
Virtual
I'm a Licensed Clinical Social Worker supporting teens, young adults, and women across California through challenges like mood changes, parenting, and perinatal mental health concerns. Together, we'll use CBT and a holistic approach to build confidence and develop a toolkit of coping skills for a happier, healthier you.

Luis Ciprez

(he/him)

Luis Ciprez, LCSW - California Therapist at Grow Therapy
$175/session
LCSW
18 years of experience
Virtual
I’m a Licensed Clinical Social Worker in California with over 17 years of experience supporting adults, teens, and elders through challenges like addiction, depression, and trauma. I offer a safe, nonjudgmental space where you can feel comfortable opening up about your struggles and working towards your goals.

Patricia Jones

(she/her)

Patricia Jones, LCSW - California Therapist at Grow Therapy
$120/session
LCSW
7 years of experience
Virtual
I'm a Licensed Clinical Social Worker in California, and I help adults navigate challenges like anxiety, depression, trauma, and relationship issues. Using mindfulness and a collaborative, warm approach, I support you in discovering your strengths and making meaningful changes in your life.

Kathy Kelly

(she/her)

Kathy Kelly, LMFT - California Therapist at Grow Therapy
$120/session
LMFT
17 years of experience
Virtual
With over 15 years as a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist in California, I help adults navigate anxiety, depression, trauma, and life transitions using CBT, DBT, and other evidence-based approaches. My goal is to provide a welcoming space where you can process difficult emotions, build coping skills, and find your path to well-being.

Tristyn Ingallinera

Tristyn Ingallinera, LMFT - California Therapist at Grow Therapy
$75/session
LMFT
22 years of experience
Virtual
I am a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist (LMFT) based in the Southern California region. I have been in the mental health field for over two decades and have had the honor of working with adolescents, families, parenting individuals, and couples. My passion is helping people work through what is impacting their present to set themselves up for their best future.

Lan Nguyen

(she/her)

Lan Nguyen, LCSW - California Therapist at Grow Therapy
$200/session
LCSW
6 years of experience
Virtual
As a Licensed Clinical Social Worker in California, I support adults coping with anxiety, trauma, life transitions, and the pressures of cultural or familial expectations. With empathy and direct encouragement, I help you work toward healing and a greater sense of fulfillment.

Jane Kuria

(she/her)

Jane Kuria, LMFT - California Therapist at Grow Therapy

Frequently rebooked

$220/session
LMFT
5 years of experience
Virtual
I'm a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist in California, and I help adults work through anxiety, depression, and mood challenges using CBT, ACT, and Internal Family Systems. My goal is to offer a safe, supportive space for you to build self-awareness, emotional resilience, and healthier relationships.

Patricia Bevan

(she/her)

Patricia Bevan, LCSW - California Therapist at Grow Therapy
$130/session
LCSW
7 years of experience
Virtual
As a Licensed Clinical Social Worker in California, I focus on building genuine connections and supporting you through challenges like anxiety, trauma, and family conflict. I’m here to help you or your teen discover strengths and grow toward happiness and self-fulfillment.

Anita Harutunian

Anita Harutunian, LMFT - California Therapist at Grow Therapy
$200/session
LMFT
25 years of experience
Virtual
I'm a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist in California passionate about helping adults overcome challenges like anxiety, addiction, and family conflict with a compassionate, empowering approach. Together, we'll find ways to move forward so you can live more fully and authentically.

Alicia Medina

(she/her)

Alicia Medina, LMFT - California Therapist at Grow Therapy
$115/session
LMFT
2 years of experience
Virtual
Hi, I'm glad you are here. My name is Alicia and I am a bilingual Licensed Marriage Family Therapist and Licensed Professional Clinical Counselor based in Southern California and working telehealth statewide. I am committed to helping individuals navigate life's challenges with compassion and clinical expertise. I provide a supportive and non-judgmental space, where clients can work through various mental health concerns, including anxiety, depression, and life transitions.

Kristina Alvarez

(she/her)

Kristina Alvarez, LPCC - California Therapist at Grow Therapy
$120/session
LPCC
5 years of experience
Virtual
Hi, my name is Kristina. I love to help people overcome obstacles in their lives, including but not limited to relationship problems, anxiety, low moods, work burnout, major life transitions, or self-esteem issues. I use a Person-Centered approach to therapy and apply evidence-based practices such as CBT and Solution Focused. I facilitate a therapeutic space of non-judgment and curious exploration, to foster self-discovery and deep healing from trauma and adverse experiences.

Jaime Reeves

Jaime Reeves, LMFT - California Therapist at Grow Therapy
$230/session
LMFT
10 years of experience
Virtual
As a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist in California, I support adults and couples in breaking free from emotional patterns, healing from trauma, and navigating life transitions, grief, and mood challenges. My approach blends clinical expertise with spiritual depth, helping you reconnect with your authentic self and build stronger relationships.

Hilary Matthews

(she/her)

Hilary Matthews, LMFT - California Therapist at Grow Therapy
$100/session
LMFT
10 years of experience
Virtual
I'm Hilary Matthews, a therapist in California, and I help adults and older adults work through mood issues, substance use, and major life changes. Together, we can navigate challenges using cognitive behavioral therapy, mindfulness, and trauma-informed care so you can find a path forward that feels right for you.

Maggie Novotny

(she/her)

Maggie Novotny, LCSW - California Therapist at Grow Therapy
$140/session
LCSW
14 years of experience
Virtual
I'm a Licensed Clinical Social Worker here in California, and I help adults navigate challenges like anxiety, difficult life changes, and relationship struggles. My approach is warm and collaborative, blending evidence-based strategies like CBT and DBT to support you in finding more balance and confidence in your day-to-day life.

Tengfei Li

(he/him)

Tengfei Li, LMFT - California Therapist at Grow Therapy
$175/session
LMFT
6 years of experience
Virtual
As a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist in California, I offer therapy with care and compassion to help you manage challenges like anxiety, depression, and trauma. My goal is to help you feel heard and empowered as you discover new ways to cope and move closer to your true self.

Joe F Jones

(he/him)

Joe F Jones, LMFT - California Therapist at Grow Therapy

Frequently rebooked

$150/session
LMFT
20 years of experience
Virtual
As a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist in California, I help men, women, and families understand and work through challenges like stress, anxiety, and life transitions. My goal is to support you in finding new tools for overcoming obstacles, so you can move toward the positive changes you deserve.

Daniel Gonzalez

(they/them)

Daniel Gonzalez, LMFT - California Therapist at Grow Therapy
$160/session
LMFT
25 years of experience
Virtual
As a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist in California, I support adults and older adults who want to better manage challenges like anxiety, grief, and life transitions. I offer therapy in both English and Spanish, drawing on over 25 years of experience helping people enrich their lives while navigating the richness and complexity of two cultures.

Edward Gonzalez

Edward Gonzalez, LMFT - California Therapist at Grow Therapy
$140/session
LMFT
18 years of experience
Virtual
I'm a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist in California, and I help adults navigate life's challenges—whether you're dealing with stress, relationship issues, or difficult transitions—in a supportive, non-judgmental space.

Roslyn L Rice

Roslyn L Rice, LPCC - California Therapist at Grow Therapy

Frequently rebooked

$175/session
LPCC
6 years of experience
Virtual
I am a Licensed Professional Counselor in four states: Arizona, California, South Carolina, and Virginia, and I offer effective outpatient, individualized, psychological care. My experience as a therapist includes several mental health disorders such as anxiety, depression, PTSD, and ADD/ADHD. I provide a welcoming, neutral space to help individuals heal, energize, and become aware of their inner strengths. I achieve this by listening to concerns and collaborating with clients to customize a treatment plan. My goal is to help you grow from your struggles, heal from your pain, and help propel you to where you want to be in all areas of life. My promise to you is to be accountable and accessible and to create a welcoming therapeutic environment for all identities and ethnicities.

Eric Lyden

Eric Lyden, LMFT - California Therapist at Grow Therapy
$150/session
LMFT
1 year of experience
Virtual
With 34 years of experience as a Licensed Clinical Social Worker in California, I help adults and teens work through anxiety, addiction, trauma, and life transitions in a supportive and judgment-free space. I'm here to empower you to find healthier ways to cope and achieve lasting, positive change in your life.

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Frequently asked questions

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Why use Gender, Age, and Identities filters?

Finding a provider with a similar life experience can be beneficial because it can be easier to establish rapport and potentially be understood quicker and clearer.

What to expect during your first session?

Your first therapy session is for you and your therapist to meet each other and to ask any questions that you have about the counseling process. This is where you can expect your therapist to do the same as they will ask questions to gain insight into your specific situation. In this first session the therapist is doing their part to gather as much information so they can better assess if they are able to meet your therapeutic needs.

Depending upon your provider's specialty, you may also discuss the methods the therapist will use. For additional information on therapy methods, please visit the Grow Therapy Help Center. Some people feel nervous before their first appointment, and that is totally normal! Coming prepared with a list of questions for your therapist may help. Remember, you're taking a brave step by seeking therapy, and it is okay to be nervous as you try something new.