Therapists in Virginia

Hello there. I am a Licensed Clinical Social Worker, dedicated to helping professional women find hope while navigating through anxiety and burnout. l am passionate about assisting motivated women who are experiencing life transitions such as career changes, moving, divorce, and loss. As well as women experiencing life challenges such as burnout, job dissatisfaction, poor self care routine, high stress, time management issues, and health challenges. My experience includes assisting a variety of clients in community mental health, persons with various forms of trauma, and clients adjusting to life transitions and life stress. I help clients learn how to calm their inner storm through a solution focused approach; along with holistic approaches such as mindfulness, meditation, creative expression, and body movement. I provide therapy that encourages self-compassion, acceptance, and resiliency.

My name is Joseph Shelton I am an LGBTQ identifying professional counselor who has extensive experience. Over the years I have worked with individuals with addiction and various mental health disorders with a specialized focus on individuals with major depression anxiety and addiction. I have been in recovery my self for the last going on 12 years since Nov 1 2013. I have extensive experience with my own recovery and LGBTQ issues and know what it means to recover and effectively manage addiction and depression issues.

Hello! I am a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist based in Virginia, with a Master’s degree in Couples & Family Therapy from the University of Oregon and a Master’s degree in Medical Anthropology & Mental Health from the University of London (SOAS). For the past ten years, I’ve had the sacred privilege of walking alongside women and couples as they navigate the complexities of love, intimacy, and self-discovery. My training and lived experience across the U.S., U.K., and internationally have deepened my understanding that every soul and every relationship carries its own story, rhythm, and possibility. I approach every session with empathy, curiosity, and reverence for the unique story God is writing in each life. My deepest passion is helping clients return to their authentic selves, reclaim trust in their own knowing, and cultivate the kind of love — with self and with others — that is rooted in truth, harmony, and wholeness.

Hello I am Aida Sek, LCSW, a bilingual trauma psychotherapist, holding licenses in the states of Florida, Virginia and Colorado. Some of my specialties include trauma, addiction and codependency recovery, PTSD resolution through EMDR, perinatal mental health, relationship issues, anxiety, depression, grief and loss, conflict resolution, multicultural and adjustment issues. Being born in Colombia, made me understand the value and importance of cultural, ethnic, and varied backgrounds, and recognize the multitude of strengths born from these areas. Specific to my practice, each client is met with a sacredness regarding their culture and background, holding the client in unconditional positive regard.

My name is Dominique Squire, and I am a Licensed Clinical Social Worker. With a diverse professional background, I’ve had the privilege of working with individuals from various cultural and age groups, supporting them through challenges such as trauma, crisis, depression, anxiety, substance use, relationship issues, career concerns, family and parenting conflicts, anger management, and struggles with motivation, self-esteem, and self-confidence. Please be aware that insurance companies do not cover ESA documentation. To provide this service, I require a minimum of 60 days of sessions to gather relevant information. The fee is $150 and is payable via private pay. Please note that all requests may not be fulfilled if not clinically necessary.

I'm a Licensed Professional Counselor Supervisor (LPC-S). I am licensed in Texas and Virginia. I provide a safe and supportive space for clients to explore their thoughts, feelings, and behaviors with no judgment. For example, I help adults struggling with career stress, relational challenges, and challenges with productivity (i.e., starting and completing tasks). I also work collaboratively with clients to identify underlying issues, set goals, and develop personalized treatment plans. I guide clients through the process to help build coping skills, improve emotional regulation, and foster personal growth.

As a licensed clinical social worker, I am committed to collecting evidenced based "tools for my toolbox" to aid those grappling with finding the new normal after their world has shifted. I most love helping people find language to describe their losses, often when there has been difficulty finding the words, inspiring people to find hope again, and facilitate the development of a plan to move forward in a way that both honors their experiences and embraces the future. I take an action-oriented, collaborative approach to therapy. I utilize a combination of psychoeducation, storytelling, and evidenced-based interventions to offer meaningful insight to support clients’ healing. I strongly believe that rock bottom is the foundation upon which we can rebuild our lives. We do regular check-ins to review progress along the way. Our goal is not to change the past, but instead to find some relief from symptoms that impact daily functioning. I will solicit feedback regularly during sessions for takeaways to gauge progress and curate treatment interventions based on what is most engaging and productive for the individual client.

I have been working with individuals struggling with post-traumatic stress disorder, substance use, sexual addiction, and mental health challenges for the past ten years. I have a real heart to walk alongside you to encourage, support, and empower you to move forward in your recovery needs. I graduated from Liberty University in 2014 with an MA in Professional Counseling and completed a Doctoral program specializing in treating trauma-related challenges. I approach recovery through the eyes of motivational interviewing and cognitive-behavioral therapy. I am also trained in EMDR and Accelerated Resolution Therapy.

I am a Licensed Clinical Social Worker in the Commonwealth of Virginia and a Licensed Independent Social Worker in the State of Ohio. I am a compassionate therapist specializing in anxiety, mood disorders, and trauma. My approach integrates evidence-based practices such as Cognitive Behavioral Therapy (CBT) with mindfulness techniques, and a focus on the mind-body connection. I am committed to providing trauma-informed care to ensure a safe and supportive therapeutic experience.

Hi! I'm a Licensed Professional Counselor (LPC) in the state of Texas. I received my Masters from LeTourneau University and have been practicing for 4 years. I work with adult clients living with self-esteem issues, anxiety, depression, and anger. The goal is to provide a safe space for clients to openly talk, gain self-awareness, and identify ways to overcome their challenges.

Kelly was born in Lynchburg Virginia and raised in Southern California but has been back east in this area since the early 90s. Kelly is a Licensed Professional Counselor (LPC), with over a decade of experience across many different settings consisting of inpatient, outpatient, intensive in-home, university, mental health agency work. Kelly graduated from liberty University with his PhD in professional counseling in January 2013; and has taught graduate students in group therapy skills and individual therapy techniques. Kelly tends to be eclectic in his counseling approach, employing CBT, and Person Centered. Active listening, CBT, Cognitive Challenging, Cognitive Refocusing, Cognitive Reframing, Conflict resolution, Exploration of Coping Patterns, Exploration of Emotions, Exploration of Relationship Patterns, Free Association processing, Interactive Feedback, Person centered, Preventative Services, Relaxation/Deep Breathing, Role-Play/Behavioral Rehearsal... Kelly seeks to meet you where you are in life and strives to help you grow in personal/social/work awareness, insight, and emotional/cognitive/behavioral change.

I am a licensed clinical social worker in FL, Idaho, Virginia; licensed independent clinical social worker in Massachusetts, Minnesota, and Rhode Island. I graduated from Barry University in 2014 and have been working within the mental health and hospital field since. I enjoy helping others overcome the challenges life throws at them. With the right mindset, support and environment, I believe change is possible. I provide psychotherapy services to clients in a collaborative, supportive, and safe environment.

Welcome! I'm Stephanie Freeman,MSW, LCSW, LCAS. Take a moment to acknowledge you've taken the first step towards bettering your mental health because, let's be honest - starting therapy can be empowering, confusing, or scary, all at the same time. I strive to create a safe and welcoming environment that allows clients to explore obstacles with concerns related to anxiety, depression, and/or self-care. I focus on helping clients develop assertive communication & boundaries with themselves and those around them that can help improve their quality of life. Counseling can foster personal development in whatever way you may be seeking and help build the life you so deeply deserve. If that's what you're looking for, I'm here when you're ready to share.

Hello, meet Dr. Dawn D. Burton, a psychotherapist with psychoeducation and biopsychosocial-spiritual clinical counseling expertise to promote acceptance and quality of life for older adults, children, and families across the lifespan. As a licensed clinical social worker, she employs strategies that promote life skills and coping amid crisis and life disturbances with a specialization in chronic conditions, terminal disease, and end-of-life decision making. With over 25 years of social work expertise in healthcare and nonprofit management, Burton is credited for her leadership in community organizing chronic disease awareness, health fairs, and nonprofit organizational programming to bridge service gaps affecting persons impacted by chronic disease. Burton holds a bachelor's degree in public relations communications from Saint Augustine's College, a master's degree in social work from Virginia Commonwealth University, and with a doctorate in Organizational Leadership with emphasis in Healthcare Administration from Grand Canyon University, Burton is an adjunct professor for their School of Social Work Masters' program. Outside of her formal work, Burton and her husband enjoy philanthropy, ministry outreach efforts, camping and fishing.

Beginning February 3, 2026, my calendar will shift to a rolling 60‑day system, so sessions will appear up to 60 days in advance. Hi I’m Liz Serens, a Licensed Professional Counselor in Virginia with 16 years of experience supporting individual adults through anxiety, ADHD, identity exploration, stress, and life transitions. My approach is collaborative and emotionally attuned, grounded in creating a steady, nonjudgmental space where growth can take root. I bring lived experience with ADHD and a learning disability, which shapes my commitment to accessible, shame‑free support. While I’m not a couples or PTSD specialist, I understand how relationships, family roles, and past experiences influence well‑being and help clients build clarity, boundaries, and self‑trust.

Pamela Byrd LMSW LCSW My approach to Behavioral Intervention Practices consists of acknowledgment and enhancing of human well-being and promoting and implementing strategies to assists individuals with providing the focus of empowerment support and guidance towards primary and associated factors of complexity or concern through creating Strength Based Modalities to assist with behavioral needs, mood adjustments anxiety, and depression amongst other categories and life stressors and various factors to consider upon behavioral needs

Greetings, I am a licensed mental health clinician licensed in Maryland, DC and Virginia with over seven years of experience working with individuals from diverse backgrounds and life experiences. My approach to therapy is holistic and strength-based, focusing on helping clients navigate and resolve a wide range of life’s challenges. By drawing upon each individual’s unique strengths, I work to foster resilience and encourage a continuous journey of healing, growth, and self-discovery. My goal is to create a supportive environment that empowers clients to uncover deeper insights, develop effective coping strategies, and enhance their overall well-being.

Hi! I'm a Licensed Clinical Psychologist based in Virginia. I received my Doctorate degree from William James College in Massachusetts and have been practicing for 2 years. I am an Army Veteran and strive to help those who struggle with major life transitions and mood disorders. My goal is to provide effetive evidence-based treatment and teach the skills needed to cope effectively.

I am a therapist who believes in empathy, active listening, applying objective, sound knowledge, & encouraging clients to build on the personal insight they gain from therapy. I have a diverse background, life experiences, & multiple professions including time in the military which has instilled a deep understanding of resilience & the complexities of navigating life. Couples & Individuals 17 years and older. NC, SC, GA, and VA.

As a Licensed Clinical Social Worker with over a decade of experience and a Master's degree from NC State University, I've dedicated my career to helping people break free from what's holding them back and rediscover their path to growth and fulfillment. Through our work together, you'll develop practical strategies and insights that will help you move beyond feeling stuck and start building the life you envision for yourself.

I am a licensed clinical social worker in the jurisdictions of Maryland, DC, and Virginia. I have 20 years of experience in the field working with adolescents, adults, and families. I specialize in anxiety, depression, life transitions, relationships and parenting. I strive to assist my clients through the processes of embracing change, accepting, and healing. I utilize a holistic person centered approach to therapy. I offer a safe and compassionate space to process the challenges that may stand in your way of becoming your best self.

Welcome to Divine Mind Services and Consulting, PLLC- “I’m a therapist specializing in evidence-based approaches like Cognitive Behavioral Therapy (CBT), Emotionally Focused Therapy (EFT), and Solution-Focused Brief Therapy (SFBT) to help individuals, couples, and families navigate life’s challenges. My focus is on creating a safe, supportive space where we can work together to build healthier relationships, manage emotions, and create meaningful change. Whether you’re struggling with anxiety, trauma, relationship issues, or personal growth, my goal is to empower you with the tools and insights needed to move forward with confidence.”

Hey there! I am a Licensed Professional Counselor (LPC) based in Virginia. I have worked for the past 4 years specializing in substance use. I am dedicated to providing compassionate, trauma-informed care to best promote a safe space for healing and personal growth. Using EMDR and person centered therapy approaches, I work with you to create a personalized treatment plan that fosters healing, empowerment, and lasting recovery . My goal is to create a welcoming, safe environment where you can explore and heal from trauma, anxiety, life stress, relationship challenges, and substance use.

I am a therapist who specializes in helping individuals manage and overcome social and relationship anxiety. Whether you struggle with social interactions, fear of judgment, or difficulty navigating relationships, I understand how challenging these experiences can be. My goal is to provide a safe, supportive space where you can feel heard and understood while working through the barriers that hold you back from living more fully and authentically. In our work together, I focus on building a solid foundation of self-awareness and self-compassion. We'll explore the root causes of your anxiety and identify negative thought patterns that may be contributing to your stress in social situations. By gaining insight into how anxiety affects your thinking and behavior, we can work together to challenge these unhelpful thoughts and replace them with healthier, more realistic perspectives. I also teach practical tools and techniques to help you manage anxiety in the moment, such as mindfulness, grounding exercises, and relaxation strategies.

I am Dr. George Stallings. I'm a Licensed Clinical Professional Counselor (LCPC) with over 18 years of experience, proudly serving clients in Maryland and Virginia. I hold a Master’s degree from Towson University, PhD Capella University, and specialize in supporting adults navigating anxiety, depression, and life transitions. My goal is to help clients gain clarity, build resilience, and move toward becoming their most authentic and empowered selves.

I am a licensed clinical social worker with a diverse background in mental health care across various settings and states. Outpatient therapy and telehealth therapy services are my primary focus. My approach to therapy is rooted in empathy, understanding, and respect for each client's unique experiences and emotions. I strive to create a safe, supportive space where individuals can explore their challenges, build resilience, and work toward meaningful change.

Hi, I’m Diane Brown. I enjoy working with individuals, couples, and families of all ages — from toddlers to older adults, ages 3 to 84 and beyond. With over 32 years of experience in the field, I bring a compassionate, strength-based approach to help people navigate trauma, grief, anxiety, and depression. I’m passionate about supporting you on your journey toward becoming your best self. My goal is to help you find your voice and feel truly entitled to a life filled with peace, purpose, and happiness. I earned both my BSW and MSW from Virginia Commonwealth University (VCU), and I am a Trauma-Certified Therapist as well as a Registered Play Therapist. My therapy techniques are personalized to meet your unique needs, and I provide a safe, judgment-free space where you can feel empowered to express yourself and grow.

Congrats on taking the first step in initiating therapy. It may not always be easy, but taking time for your well-being is always worth it. I'm a Licensed Clinical Social Worker (LCSW) with 12 years of experience in mental health. I've had the privilege of working with trauma survivors from a broad range of sociocultural backgrounds, including combat Veterans, survivors of sexual trauma, older adults, and couples.

My name is Michael Starr, and I am a Licensed Independent Clinical Social Worker. I believe therapy is more than just problem-solving, it’s a place to rediscover who you are, heal what’s been hidden, and move forward with clarity and strength. I work with individuals, couples, and families facing anxiety, trauma, relationship challenges, identity questions, and emotional overwhelm. My style is honest, grounded, and deeply respectful of the human experience. I use evidence-based approaches like Cognitive Behavioral Therapy and Trauma-Focused CBT, but I also hold space for what cannot always be explained, your story, your meaning, your growth. Clients often come to me feeling stuck, disconnected, or unsure of how to move forward. Together, we uncover the patterns keeping you there and build the insight, skills, and resilience to move through them. You won’t be rushed or judged. You’ll be heard, supported, and challenged when needed. You don’t have to have all the answers. You just have to be willing to start. Healing begins with one honest conversation, and I’m here to take that step with you.

Twenty-four years of experience working with a wide range of individuals with a wide range of presenting problems and needs. I have helped individuals work through grief, trauma, adjustment disorders, difficult life transitions, acculturation issues and end of life counseling. I have helped many individuals gain new insights and coping abilities in managing chronic mood disorders, anxiety and fear disorders, personality disorders and impulse control disorders. I have experience working with addiction and recovery including compulsive gambling and sex addictions. I have also worked with individuals in various stages of commitment to change. I began my career working in community mental health serving individuals with severe and persistent mental illness/primary psychosis disorders such as schizophrenia, schizoaffective, delusional and bipolar affective disorders. I have worked in a variety of settings within the mental health field including hospital settings, partial hospitalization settings, outpatient therapy, intensive case management, as well as remote services. I have been clinical director of two outpatient treatment centers. I have facilitated many therapy groups including anger management, anxiety management, wellness and recovery, co-occurring disorders and trauma-focused groups.

Hi, and welcome to a safe space for you to be able to express your thoughts and feelings. I am here to support you on your healing journey, provide validation, and help you grow by educating, processing, and calling out behaviors and areas in need of growth. In this walk, you are not alone. I am ready to walk with you.

I’m Justin Trout, a licensed therapist who specializes in helping people struggling with OCD, anxiety, and trauma. I work with children, teens, and adults to uncover the patterns that keep them stuck and guide them toward healthier ways of thinking and living. My goal is to give clients the tools and confidence to face fear, embrace uncertainty, and reclaim a life filled with freedom and hope.

Chinelo Okpalobi is a Licensed Mental Health Therapist with over 10 years of experience working with children, adolescents, adults, couples and families. Let's celebrate this first win of many, deciding to embark on your therapy journey. I'm here to be your teammate, but most importantly, your accountability partner. I take a client-centered, collaborative approach to therapy, tailoring each session to your unique needs and goals. There isn't a manual on how to start; once you feel ready, I'm here to guide you through conversation. I’m here to provide a safe and supportive environment where you can be yourself and learn more about yourself.

I’m Sean Butler, a licensed clinical social worker and psychotherapist dedicated to helping individuals and couples navigate life’s challenges with clarity and compassion. My approach is integrative, blending Internal Family Systems (IFS), Gestalt, Acceptance and Commitment Therapy (ACT), and Adult Children of Alcoholics (ACA) concepts to create a safe, supportive space for growth. I work with clients to build self-awareness, strengthen emotional resilience, and foster healthier relationships—both with themselves and others.

Hey! I hold a license as a Clinical Social Worker in both North Carolina and Virginia, with my current practice centered in the Fayetteville area. My journey spans over 3 years as a Social Worker and extends to more than 7 years in the broader Social Services realm. Columbia University is where I earned my Masters. My passion lies in assisting adults and youth navigating challenges related to mental health, personal struggles, and emotional well-being.

Hi! My name is Shakira Miller and I am a board-certified, Licensed Professional Counselor serving Delaware and Virginia. It is my belief that our personal experiences, both good and bad, form our worldview and how we think determines how we feel and behave. If we process those experiences and challenge the negative perspectives, we eliminate the patterns that hinder our growth, and thus change our lives. With 13 years of experience, I have supported adolescents, adults, couples, and families facing various mental health challenges, including depression, anxiety, OCD, bipolar disorder, and PTSD, as well as other social and emotional conflicts.

Greetings, I am a newly licensed Clinical Social Worker (LCSW) based in Virginia. I earned my Master of Social Work from the University of Southern California and have accumulated 12 years of experience in the field. My focus is on assisting adults and their families become more psychologically flexible as they navigate the complexities associated with chronic illness and internal and external stressors. Which can lead to greater resilience, emotional tolerance and better quality of life.

I am a Licensed Independent Clinical Social Worker and I have experience working with clients with many different challenges. I have worked in a variety of settings from state and federal agencies, prisons, and private agencies. Being a military veteran and retired from the federal government, I feel my life path has been a voyage of discovery and I look forward to helping others find their own path in this world. I currently offer tele-therapy in Virginia, Massachusetts and Maine.

Welcome! I'm excited to embark on this journey of self-discovery and growth with you. Here, you'll find a safe, non-judgmental space where you can explore your thoughts, feelings, and experiences openly and honestly. Whether you're seeking support for issues related to sex, kink, polyamory, or identity within the LGBTQ+ community, know that you're in a welcoming and affirming environment. I understand the importance of embracing diversity and celebrating the richness of human experience. My goal is to empower you to navigate these aspects of your life with confidence and authenticity. Together, we'll work collaboratively to explore your goals and develop strategies to help you live a more fulfilling and authentic life. You're not alone on this journey. I'm here to walk alongside you, offering guidance, support, and compassion every step of the way. Your courage in seeking help is a testament to your strength and resilience, and I'm honored to be a part of your healing process. Thank you for trusting me with your care. I look forward to working with you and helping you create positive change in your life.

Alicia Cadiz is a skilled therapist with extensive experience supporting individuals facing challenges such as relationship difficulties, situationships, breakups, and addiction. Alicia is a trauma and resilience specialist for veterans and first responders as well. Alicia takes a holistic psychoanalytic and psychodynamic approach to therapy. Alicia will help you rediscover your inner confidence and help rebuild your self-esteem. Most importantly, in a safe place where you can fully trust your therapist.

I am a Licensed Psychologist who earned a doctorate in clinical psychology from the City University of New York completing my internship training at NYU Bellevue Hospital. I began my career as a certified school psychologist in the early 1980s and have been a licensed psychologist since 1995. I have treated a diverse population trained many therapists and psychologists. I believe in the each persons drive toward positive mental health. I am strength based in my treatment approach, building on the client resiliency.

I use a collaborative approach with my clients to develop and work toward their personal goals. I offer a safe and inclusive space for my clients to explore their identities, relationships, needs, and desires. I have experiences working with adults, adolescents, children, couples, and families in a variety of settings, but most recently in direct, outpatient counseling delivered virtually from the comfort of my clients' homes, which I love!

Hi, I’m Jenny! I’m a Licensed Clinical Social Worker (LCSW) practicing in North Carolina, South Carolina, and Virginia. I’ve had the privilege of working with people of all ages, but I especially enjoy helping adults navigate the ups and downs of life. My background includes working in community agencies, private practice, and with military families, which has given me a wide range of experience with challenges like anxiety, depression, trauma, grief, ADHD, and self-esteem struggles. As a military spouse myself, I understand firsthand how stressful transitions, deployments, and constant changes can feel. I bring that personal perspective into my work, along with specialized training in Cognitive Behavioral Therapy (CBT), Eye Movement Desensitization and Reprocessing (EMDR), and Cognitive Processing Therapy (CPT).

Greetings, I'm Kassandra Barry, a licensed clinical social worker available in Maryland, Virginia, and DC. Specializing in trauma, I help individuals navigate life's challenges, addressing concerns like mood, anxiety, relationships, and self-care. While many clients face PTSD, my support extends to anyone seeking understanding, seeking to enhance their lives, and fostering a sense of value and respect. I prioritize creating a space where you can be heard and supported. Your journey to improved well-being begins here.

I am an EMDR Trained LPC in Virginia with 7 years of experience as a psychotherapist. I am dedicated to collaborating with you on your transformative journey, fostering lasting change. Creating a safe space and empowering relationship is my passion. Authenticity and genuineness are foundational within our therapeutic space in addition to person centered therapeutic treatment. I am committed to walking with you through your personal growth and empowering you toward positive change.

Hello! I am a Licensed Professional Counselor (LPC) based in Virginia with 20+ years of professional work experience. I earned a Master of Arts in Clinical Mental Health Counseling from South University. I am an approved Clinical Supervisor by the Counseling Board of Virginia. My experience has included working in both public and private sectors, in outpatient, hospital, detention centers, schools and community-based settings, providing mental health treatment to children, adolescents, and adults.

I am Bradley Chamberlain, a licensed clinical social worker/mental health professional located in Iowa, but clinically licensed in IA, NE, CO, VA, FL, NH and TX. I work with individuals with ADHD, OCD, Trauma, anxiety and sexual concerns such as men's issue and polyamory. My treatment modalities focus on the individual and it's not a cookie cutter approach. I incorporate modalities like CBT, Mindfulness, Stages of Change, Trauma Informed Therapy and Solution Focus therapy, and with use YouTube, Insta and TikTok videos as supplements as well.

I am a Licensed Clinical Social Worker. I am also a Licensed Clinical Addiction Specialist( in NC). I have 24 years’ experience working with children and adults Including those with various mental health and addiction issues. Keith received his Bachelors of Science in Criminal Justice from Northern Arizona University in May 1994 and a his Masters of Social Work from California State University in December 2010. I have been trained with Triple P Level 3, Together Facing the Challenge provider and trainer, Motivational Interviewing, and is certificated in providing assessment and therapy for youth for problem sexual behaviors.

I am Nelva, a Licensed Clinical Social Worker (LCSW) currently living and providing services in Northern Virginia. Raised in Washington, DC, where I completed my studies, including my Masters in Social Work at Howard University. I understand the importance and courage of seeking professional help when there’s such a stigma associated with mental health. I believe in utilizing evidence-based practices to help individuals cope with mental health challenges in a meaningful way.

I am a Licensed Clinical Social Worker, who specializes in mental health. I am qualified to work with all ages. I love working with the elderly, couples who suffer from PTSD, depression, anxiety, and schizophrenia. I have experience working with the severely mentally ill for more than thirty years. But my passion is the elderly. They do not get the attention they deserve, in my opinion. Considering that they have worked and contributed to society most of their lives.