Hello!! My name is Chloe Meshel-Wood, and I am a Licensed Clinical Social Worker who is passionate about creating a safe, open, and supportive space for my clients. I have learned that getting to know you and understanding your values is an important part of the healing process. My goal is to support you in navigating challenges, building on your strengths, and ultimately feeling more confident taking charge of your own life. I believe that every person is unique, and I strive to recognize and highlight the strengths in each client I work with. If you feel like we might be a good fit, please connect so I can learn more about you. Starting therapy can often feel like a challenging step, and I would be honored to support you through that process.

As a Doctor of Social Work and a dual-certified clinician in both DBT (Linehan Board) and CBT (Beck Institute). I am passionate about helping couples and the parents of children who experience intense emotions as well. I am the creator and developer of Family Systems Dialectical Behavioral Therapy (FS-DBT), a model designed to address complex family dynamics alongside individual growth. My approach is rooted in "beginning with the end in mind." Shortly after our first meeting, we will collaborate on a comprehensive, practical plan designed to point you and your family toward your specific goals. My focus is on helping clients move away from destructive patterns and toward a life built on personal values. I offer specialized individual psychotherapy and real-time phone coaching to ensure skills are applied when they are needed most. I am passionate about helping parents help their children and adolescents. And I would love to meet you!!!

I am a licensed Clinical Psychologist with 24 years of experience helping adults in a variety of mental health settings. I presently offer online individual therapy for adults residing in California. My style is interactive, collaborative, supportive, strength-based, and solution-focused. Each session is tailored to your individual needs. Therapy can be as brief as a few weeks or longer depending on your treatment goals.

Welcome, I am Cynthia. I am happy you are here and will encourage you to reach out to speak with me to see if you feel we would be a good fit. I have been in the Mental Health field for over 20+ years and have worked with the severely ill clients and those just struggling with life stressors. My goal for you will be to live the best version of your life that is possible and I will be right here with you for the journey.

Hello, I'm a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist based in Southern California with over a decade of experience. I approach each counseling session with a compassionate heart and a commitment to support you on your journey to healing. I have dedicated my career to helping people navigate life's challenges while providing a safe space for self-exploration and understanding. If you are looking to make a change and seeking more clarity in your life, then schedule a session with me today.

As an experienced family therapist, I have the skills and knowledge needed to help families navigate even the most challenging situations. What sets me apart is my unique perspective as a former stay-at-home mom to now-grown children, which gives me a deep understanding of the struggles and milestones that families face. If you're looking for a compassionate and experienced therapist who can make a real difference in your family's life, I invite you to consider reaching out to me for help.

Welcome! I’m so glad you’re here and ready to cultivate and nurture a better you. I am a Licensed Clinical Social Worker (LCSW) with over six years of clinical experience supporting children, transitional-aged youth, adults, and families. I have had the privilege of walking alongside individuals as they navigate painful challenges, life transitions, and periods of healing. I believe therapy is a collaborative process grounded in compassion, safety, and growth. It is truly an honor to support clients as they build resilience, gain insight, and move toward meaningful change. Being part of your healing journey is both fulfilling and joyful, and I am committed to meeting you where you are with empathy and care.

I am a Licensed Clinical Social Worker with over six years of experience working with children, adolescents and young adults. I am passionate about supporting young people as they navigate challenges, life transitions, and difficult seasons. My goal is to help my clients build the skills they need to thrive at home, in school, in their relationships and to be able to manage life transitions. I am trained in Cognitive Behavioral Therapy (CBT), Dialectical Behavior Therapy (DBT), Managing and Adapting Practice (MAP), and Trauma-Focused Cognitive Behavioral Therapy (TF-CBT). I integrate these evidence-based approaches to support my clients in improving emotional well-being, strengthening coping skills, and creating meaningful change.

Marjorie is a Spanish language Bilingual Psychotherapist from South America and has been practicing in the USA since 2008 as a MSW provider and since 2012 as a LCSW therapist. Marjorie graduated with both a bachelor's degree in social work and a master's degree in clinical social work from California State University Los Angeles. Marjorie works both in her own private practice -focusing on women’s issues and minority populations - and as a Psychiatric Social Worker for a large managed health care organization, helping clients with diverse psychosocial stressors or chronic mood disorders. Marjorie has extensive experience in social work, advocacy, case management and mental health services for over 18 years. Marjorie has provided psychotherapy services for adults and children from various cultural backgrounds, she’s sensitive to the linguistic needs of the clients served (Spanish/English). Areas of focus: Assessment and diagnosis formulation, treatment planning, counseling (short term specific or situational issues), psychotherapy (long term broader range for mental illness) and crisis intervention.

All things are interconnected. To feel better, you have to act better. To feel better, you have to think better. To think better, you have to feel better. To act better, you have to think better. To think, feel, and act better, you have to care for your physical health. To care for your physical health, you have to think, feel, and act better. Each has a corresponding effect on the other. However, the aspect of ourselves that we have the most direct control of is what we do, our acting. While we can influence other people, we cannot control other people. A great source of conflict and unhappiness results from our efforts to control others. If you want better relationships, the only thing we can control is what we do, how we choose to relate. We are responsible for what we do. Others are responsible for what they do. Accepting this fundamental reality and thinking, feeling, and acting in accordance with it is how we increase our experience of power, freedom, belonging, meaning and, very importantly, fun. My professional experience includes over 30 years of post-Master’s clinical work, including leadership experience in foster care, chemical abuse and addiction, inpatient and outpatient mental health services, and crisis intervention, de-escalation, and hospitalization. I am experienced in working with ages three through the elderly. I have worked extensively with youth and families, diverse populations and life issues, providing services in various settings, including family homes, schools, juvenile detention facilities, jails, outpatient clinics, and inpatient psychiatric facilities.

Do you feel stuck but aren't sure why? Do you feel a lack of meaning or purpose? Do you want to make changes but lack the clarity, direction or motivation to get started? I empower high-functioning individuals to overcome obstacles toward goal attainment through a holistic approach. I am an LCSW with over 30 years of experience helping people work toward reaching their potential. I utilize several approaches, including Cognitive Behavioral Therapy, Positive Psychology, Mindfulness & Concentration, and I am heavy on goal-setting, attainment and homework between sessions.

I have been in the helping professions since 2005 and as a licensed therapist for 16 years. I’ve worked with a variety of clients of different cultures throughout. Early in my training, there was a heavy emphasis on the Western approach to address symptomology, but now as my career and experience have grown, I blend Western approach with Eastern influence, emphasizing the link between the mind and the body, and how trauma lives within the body, not just in our minds.

A bit about me: I’m a true crime junkie, I love painting, bowling, and music in any mood, so trust me when I say there is nothing too weird or too much here. We’ll move at your pace, and I’ll walk beside you every step of the way. When you come into the therapy room, I will be warm, welcoming, and real, because therapy can feel intimidating and nobody needs extra pressure on top of what they already carry.

Kristyan Cortez-Gutierrez is a licensed clinical social worker with an undergraduate degree in Psychology and Human Development from UC Davis whom also graduated from the USC School of Social Work with her masters in 2019. She went on to work in the Alzheimer's and Dementia field with patients and caregivers and then worked with patients and caregivers in the hospice setting before moving into private practice. She has been working with individuals and families for 7 years as they navigate through difficult life transitions.

Hi, my name is Kathy. I am licensed in California as a marriage and family therapist. I have been practicing for eight years. I work with adults that struggle with depression and anxiety. I have extensive experience working with individuals that have problems with substance use. I believe that you are the expert in your life. My role is to help you recognize your strengths and learn how to build on those strengths to help you become the best version of yourself.

Welcome to therapy, I'm Rachel. If you or your loved one are experiencing emotional distress due to family, work, relationships or the unknown then I am here to help. It takes courage to seek out a Therapist and I am glad you are ready to get started. I empower high-functioning individuals to reduce feelings of being overwhelmed, nervousness, worry, sadness and other symptoms that are disrupting life. I am a Licensed Marriage & Family Therapist and I have provided mental health counseling for individuals in small rural clinics, larger city clinics, and as a provider for short-term counseling grant programs. I offer flexible appointments, evenings and weekends. I understand how difficult the work/school week can be and want to increase your opportunities for accessing uniquely tailored mental health treatment. *Currently not accepting couples*

Hello, my name is Melisa Santacruz. I am a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist (LMFT) in the states of California and Florida, and have been practicing for 7 years. My work focuses on supporting individuals experiencing depression, anxiety, trauma, professional stress, parenting challenges, relationship concerns, self-esteem struggles, and life transitions. I specialize and am trained in Dialectical Behavior Therapy (DBT), mindfulness, Person-centered (Rogerian) and Cognitive Behavioral Therapy (CBT). I am proficient in Spanish and English.

I have 23 years of experience working with clients who struggle with depression, anxiety, trauma, and grief. I'm privileged to have worked with a multitude of cultures, communities and organizations aimed to address both personal and environmental stressors which lead to unique feelings and responses. I provide coping skills to manage anger behaviors that arise from life events, relationships and traumas. I provide therapeutic homework which allows you to practice independently the skills that are taught in therapy.

Many of my clients come to me feeling overwhelmed by the weight of their emotions, relationships, or life transitions. They may be navigating anxiety, depression, grief, identity shifts, or the residue of past relationship injuries that continue to shape their present. My work focuses on helping you develop awareness, create meaningful change, and strengthen your emotional resilience to move forward with confidence. I draw from evidence-based practices—such as Cognitive Behavioral Therapy, Emotion-Focused approaches, and trauma-informed methods—to provide a space that is structured, encouraging, and collaborative. If you’re reading this and something resonates, I want you to know that therapy doesn’t have to be overwhelming—you don’t have to figure everything out on your own. I offer a warm, non-judgmental space where your experiences are met with empathy and respect. Reaching out can feel like a big step, but it’s also a courageous one. When you’re ready, I’m here.

Hi, I am Miriam, a Latina Licensed Therapist with over a decade of experience working with adults as they navigate some of life's most difficult moments. I know first hand that reaching out for therapy can feel vulnerable, and I strive to offer a space where you feel safe, supported, and truly understood. My approach is warm, compassionate, and non-judgmental. I believe healing happens through a trusting relationship, where you are met with empathy and respect. Together, we will move at a pace that feels right for you, creating room for reflection, insight, and gentle growth.

My name is Christopher, and I believe life can be better than what we have adapted to and gotten used to. Over the years I first began working with the indigent population and there I learned about the connections between substance abuse, mental illness and trauma. I then worked more with addiction when I worked with people struggling to stop substance abuse and once again, I recognized a connection between these behaviors and trauma. Finally, before completing the last stages of earning hours for my license I worked with children and families and noticed the way personal trauma experienced by adults effected parenting and family relationships. Helping people address anxiety and depression symptoms independent of a trauma made improved my abilities who help people that deal with those symptoms along with other trauma indicators.

When life's challenges - work, relationships, money troubles, illness or injury become too much to manage, or when the pain of the past pops up when you least expect it to disrupt sleep, or when daily stressors build up and make it hard to cope, that's when more than a friendly ear is needed. That's when a professional can help you heal the compounding effects of life experiences. If you are seeking long-term relief from anxiety, trauma, depression, low self-esteem, relationship issues, grief or loss, I will help you heal those emotional injuries that compound over a lifetime and make life lose its meaning. And I will empower you to heal the emotional pain that is preventing you from living your best life.

Welcome to my professional profile. My name is Paul Quezada, and I am a bilingual (Spanish) Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist located in Southern California. Thank you for taking the time to consider me as a potential ally on your journey towards improved mental health and overall well-being. First and foremost, I want to acknowledge your courage in seeking help. Your mental health is paramount, and I commend you for prioritizing it. I am here to offer my support and guidance as you navigate life's obstacles and challenges. My role is to provide you with the necessary tools and support to manage the various struggles impacting your mental health. Whether you are grappling with anxiety, depression, trauma, or navigating significant life transitions, I am here to accompany you on your journey towards healing and self-discovery. Thank you for considering me as a potential partner in your therapeutic journey. I look forward to the opportunity to work together and support you in achieving your goals.

I am Allogan Hess, a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist (LMFT) dedicated to supporting individuals, couples, and families in navigating life’s challenges. I take a collaborative, compassionate approach, helping clients build practical skills, improve communication, and create meaningful change. My goal is to provide a safe and supportive space where clients can explore their experiences, overcome obstacles, and achieve personal growth.

I am very pleased to meet you. Before coming here and seeing my profile, you may have struggled alone for a long time, unable to easily share your personal issues with anyone, or perhaps you did share, but felt misunderstood or not fully supported. In a safe and trustworthy environment, I am ready to listen to your concerns or issues with empathy, without any bias or judgment. With my expertise, I am confident in working together with you to resolve your worries or challenges. I will listen to your unique history and problems with curiosity and respect, and I will do my utmost as a counselor in collaboration with you.

Hello, I’m a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist (LMFT) and Licensed Professional Clinical Counselor (LPCC) who is passionate about supporting individuals and families through life’s challenges. I have experience working with people of many ages and backgrounds in a variety of clinical settings. I am fluent in both English and Spanish and strive to create a warm, welcoming space where clients feel safe to be themselves and openly share their experiences. I believe in meeting clients where they are and building a genuine connection that allows for trust, growth, and healing. I have worked with concerns such as depression, anxiety, and trauma, and I feel honored to walk alongside my clients as they navigate difficult moments and discover their strength and resilience.

I am a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist in California with over a decade of experience helping adults navigate anxiety, trauma, and relationship challenges. My work is grounded in creating a safe, culturally responsive space where clients feel understood, supported, and empowered to grow. I specialize in working with individuals impacted by trauma, domestic violence, and chronic anxiety. Many of my clients are high-functioning on the outside but feel overwhelmed internally. Together, we work to untangle patterns, strengthen emotional regulation, and build practical tools hat create lasting change. My approach integrates Cognitive Behavioral Therapy (CBT), trauma informed care, and skills-based interventions to help clients process past move from survival mode into stability, clarity, and confidence. You don’t have to carry everything alone. Healing and growth are possible.

Licensed Professional Clinical Counselor (LPCC) and Licensed Mental Health Counselor (LMHC) providing care to clients in California and New York. I offer compassionate, evidence-based therapy integrating Cognitive Behavioral Therapy (CBT) and Dialectical Behavior Therapy (DBT). My approach supports individuals navigating anxiety, stress, and emotional overwhelm while strengthening coping skills, fostering insight, enhancing emotional regulation, and promoting resilience, clarity, and meaningful, sustainable personal growth.

I’m glad you’re here. Balancing work, relationships, and personal expectations—especially during life transitions—can be stressful and emotionally draining. I have 22 years of experience in the public mental health system and I have worked with adults and professionals who are navigating anxiety, depression, stress, and major changes, and who are looking for practical support and lasting relief. My approach is collaborative, supportive, and goal-oriented. I use CBT and solution-focused therapy to help you understand unhelpful patterns, build on your strengths, and create meaningful change. I also incorporate mindfulness along with health and life coaching tools to support emotional balance, resilience, and follow-through in daily life. Therapy doesn’t require having everything figured out. If you’re seeking a thoughtful, strengths-based approach that focuses on both insight and action, I’d be honored to support you.

My name is Brianna I am a Licensed Clinical Social Worker with over 4 years experience supporting individuals through anxiety, depression, life transitions, and overwhelming stress. I work with clients who may feel stuck, burnt out, or unsure how to move forward. I create a safe and compassionate space where clients feel heard and understood. Using a collaborative client-centered approach, I help individuals build effective coping skills, gain clarity, and reconnect with their strengths. My goal is to empower clients to navigate challenges with confidence, improve their emotional well-being, and create meaningful, lasting change in their lives.

I earned my Master’s Degree in Clinical Psychology from Pepperdine University and have completed the hours toward licensure as an MFT. Over the course of my career, I’ve had the opportunity to work in a variety of clinical settings, including residential treatment centers, partial hospitalization programs (PHP), and intensive outpatient programs (IOP). These experiences have equipped me to support individuals and families navigating a wide range of challenges.

Welcome! I truly believe that we can all feel better. Safer in this world, stronger within ourselves, connected to ourselves and others. As a licensed MFT in CA, I am most helpful working with folks feeling stuck, overwhelmed, anxious, fearful and uncertain. Those wanting help w emotional self-regulation, emotional connection to self and others. Those struggling with substance challenges as a way to regulate and/or get needs met. Those feeling unlovable, flawed and unworthy. Negative inner voices, rumination, distorted thoughts. My style is interactive, sensitive and direct. Let's clarify what's happening for you and why, let's create a plan with sustainable steps. This is a collaboration and no one knows you better than you! Please take the time to read my specializations/profile. Let's talk! Thank you.

Luke is a Licensed Clinical Social Worker with a background in emergency medical services and hospital emergency departments. He is a United States Coast Guard veteran located in California. Luke believes in healthy habit development, consistent focus on goals, and problem solving to improve quality of life. Luke's approach to therapy includes: positive psychology, stress management, reducing substance use, communication skills, solution focused therapy, and cognitive behavioral therapy (CBT). Outside of work Luke enjoys outdoor activities like camping, mountain biking, sailing, and scuba diving.

Hello, I’m Angel. Are you stepping into a new chapter of life, or trying to steady yourself after the end of a relationship? Do your daily priorities feel out of sync with your long-term goals? Maybe you’re carrying things you can’t easily talk about with friends or family. If any of that sounds familiar, you’re not alone, and you don’t have to figure it out by yourself. My approach is straightforward and collaborative. We focus on what matters most to you, your values, your direction, and the kind of life you want to build. Together, we’ll work to bring clarity to the noise, strengthen your self-awareness, and help you move forward with confidence and purpose. If therapy is new to you, I understand it can feel like a big step. I aim to create a space that’s grounded, respectful, and judgment-free, where you can speak openly and work at a pace that feels right. If you think we’d be a good fit, I invite you to reach out.

Are you feeling overwhelmed by life’s challenges? Are you struggling in relationships or feeling numb to the enjoyment that life offers? I am committed to supporting you in overcoming the challenges that impact your ability to have a well balanced life. My style is warm, collaborative, trauma informed, interactive and process oriented. I integrate mindfulness into my work as a way to strengthen your relationship to yourself and others. I also bring creativity into discussions as a way to offer additional perspectives so you can find easier paths towards resolution. Whether you are struggling with PTSD, anxiety, depression, substance abuse or relationship issues, I will meet you with compassion, curiosity and respect. Let’s work together to overcome your challenges.

Hi, I am a Licensed Clinical Social Worker Licensed in California with 18+ years of professional clinical experience. I have experience in helping clients with stress, anxiety, family conflicts, motivation, self esteem, confidence, & depression. I also have experience working with coping with life changes. I help adults who are struggling, become the best version of themselves at their own pace.

In our work together, we will collaborate to learn to compassionately observe and change dysfunctional physical, mental, and emotional patterns that are keeping us stuck. We will work to help you to feel empowered to consciously create a life on your own terms, shift from self judgement to self compassion, and (most importantly) stop taking shit to yourself. I have over 9 years of experience working with children, individuals, and families that have experienced trauma and challenging life experiences. I work with individuals that may be struggling with depression, anxiety, low self esteem, life stage transitions, new motherhood, relationship challenges, or traumatic experiences.

I'm Tabara, a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist whom has a background of working in both public and private mental health programs. I enjoy working with adults through incorporating a integrative approach of CBT, Psychodynamic, and Solution Focused modalities. My goal is to support my Client's in working towards their goals to lead to a more fulfilling life and assist them in learning skills that they can utilize.

Hello! My name is Maria Hurmetian and I am a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist and Registered Art Therapist. I have experience working with all ages, and enjoy working with children, families, and individuals who are experiencing grief/loss, depression, and anxiety. I have worked in many settings Like Childrens' Hospital in Los Angeles, schools, clinical settings, and private practice over the last eleven years.

My professional journey is rooted in human growth. I hold a Bachelor's in English, a Master's in Counseling and Psychology, and a Doctorate in Behavioral Health. Originally, I thought I was going to be a teacher, but shifted gears as I wanted to be able to give more and help more. I believe we are all lifelong learners so I still get to teach, but also be a partner, guide, support person, sounding board, advocate, and so much more! My clinical philosophy is built on three pillars: choice, change, and hope. Choice is always available, change is always possible, and, without hope, we have nothing. Hope encourages us to keep going; making those choices and those changes that will improve our overall quality of life and wellbeing.

I am a Licensed Professional Clinical Counselor in California. In my practice, I hold a safe and accepting space for you to process and explore your unique story shaped by joy and of course pain and fear. I utilize Cognitive Behavioral Therapy (CBT) to help you understand your unique thought processes and how these thoughts impact your feelings and behavior and use evidenced based tools to develop solutions to help you reach your goal.

Hi I am Alex! As a bilingual (Spanish and English) Licensed Clinical Social Worker, my priority is to support individuals navigating complex emotional landscapes. My approach centers on understanding the unique experiences of young adults, immigrants, and multicultural communities. I offer compassionate guidance for challenges like anxiety, self-esteem, trauma, and interpersonal communication. Drawing from evidence-based practices, I help clients explore themes of self-love, purpose, and healing from past experiences. My bilingual practice allows me to connect deeply with diverse communities, creating a supportive environment where individuals can develop resilience, process difficult emotions, and cultivate meaningful personal growth.

Hello, my name is Sal Jaimez and I am a Licensed Clinical Social Worker. I have been working in mental health since 2016 and have worked with clients of all ages, with majority of my career supporting adolescents and parents. I am excited to continue to work with clients of all backgrounds as I meet you where you are to support you in reaching your personal goals.

As a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, I am passionate about helping people navigate difficult moments and find a greater sense of balance and clarity. I specialize in trauma-informed care, crisis intervention, and working with individuals facing depression, anxiety, stress, and major life challenges. My goal is to meet you where you are and support you in building tools that feel meaningful and sustainable.

My Approach is non judge mental and client centered. I am passionate about helping others grow through mental health and realize that life can be challenging and creating change can be difficult. I have been providing individuals with mental health treatment for 10 years and find my clinical strength is with individuals who struggle with thinking patterns, anxiety, depression, anger, parenting, and marriage discourse. I focus a lot on thinking patterns, emotions, behaviors and their connections as well as building insight and awareness into thoughts and behaviors that create barriers in life or sustain challenges. I utilize CBT, DBT, EFT, SF, and Narrative therapy for the most part and also focus on the nervous system/polyvagal to assist with calming the body and rewiring what it has learned through distress. My objective is to create an atmosphere of acceptance, understanding, and to allow clients to feel safe while processing their thoughts and feelings while gently providing psycho education and techniques to assist.

Deciding to begin therapy is the first step in a life changing decision. Welcome, my name is Marisol Cendejas , I am a bilingual therapist who cares about creating safer spaces to empower mental health and wellness in BIPOC (Black, Indigenous, and people of color), and all communities. As a therapist who shares a similar background, I can understand your unique personal and professional experiences, family dynamics, and/or the stigmas against mental health in our community and culture. Have you noticed that you are often sad, worried, or irritable? Is it impacting your relationships with your partner or family? Changes in mood can be brought upon in many situations including life changes or stressors, maybe recent trauma or a past trauma that is now coming to surface. As your therapist, my goal is to provide a safe place for personal growth and healing and will provide you with specific tools to help you manage your thoughts and feelings in a new way so that you can claim your life back.

If you’re reading this, chances are you’re going through a hard time or thinking about making some changes in your life. I love supporting people as they discover their passions, break through blocks, and step into the life they’ve always dreamed of. I’m a first-generation, cisgender Latinx woman, born and raised in the Bay Area. I’ve been a licensed therapist for four years, and I’m proud to have recently started my private practice where I get to bring my whole self into the work I do.

Hi there! I am a therapist that has worked and lived on the east coast and the west coast utilizing my Florida and California license. I have worked with an array of different populations prior to becoming a therapist as I was actively involved with community health organizations, psychiatric hospitals, foster care facilities, domestic violence group homes, adult day care facilities, and crisis and text lines. Through this array of different experiences, I was given the opportunity to explore a wide array of populations and mental health disorders. I personally lost my Mother and brother to suicide and this has given me further insight into the reality of mental health situations and survival.

Hello my name is Josie Cannon. I am Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist. I have over 20 years of experience working in social Service with individuals and families, as well as working in the community. I enjoy working with adults , teens, and the more mature folks. I look forward to working to together to help you address concerns, or moving forward into the next chapter of your life.

As a clinician, I am dedicated to achieving results for my clients. I believe my clients can find their best solutions, and my job is to help them navigate towards these goals. I take a collaborative approach, working together with my clients to explore and distinguish difficult emotions and their underlying story. Once my client has a good understanding of where they’ve been and where they are, we can work together to plot a course towards where they want to me.