Therapists in California

Hello! I'm a Licensed Professional Clinical Counselor (LPCC) based in California. I received my Master's Degree in Clinical Mental Health Counseling from Johns Hopkins University. I specialize in working with children, adolescents and adults with Autism Spectrum Disorder, ADHD, depression and anxiety. My experience includes providing therapy, trainings, facilitating support groups and case management services in various community mental health and public-school settings. My practice is rooted in creating a safe, compassionate, and neurodiversity-affirming space where clients can explore their emotions, build resilience, and develop practical skills for daily life. I maintain a client-centered approach and integrate a combination of cognitive behavioral therapy, brief solution-focused therapy, parent-child interaction therapy, trauma-informed care and mindfulness-based interventions to address specific challenges.

Hi, I'm Bernard, I am a licensed therapist that has experience working with adolescence 14-17, young adults 18-26, & adults ages 27-32 seeking relief from anxiety, depression, and life transitions in sessions (I do not currently take clients under the age of "14” or over the age of 32 years old for virtual therapy), I like to walk with my clients through their therapeutic journey’s no matter the difficulty. I am a client centered therapist maintaining the belief that every client no matter their age is the expert at their own existence and has the ability to heal. I utilize humor when appropriate to strengthen therapeutic bonds to understand clients as a person and work with them through their own solutions pertaining to their specific challenges. I specialize in working with teens, young adults, & adults through difficulties with daily life challenges such as interpersonal relationships, family conflicts, life transitions, intimate partner challenges, academic, & career-related stress. I use a humanistic approach to my therapeutic style to explore what works best for clients. Some of the basic orientations I utilize are Mindfulness, Person-Centered Therapy, Motivational Interviewing, Dialectical behavioral Therapy, Cognitive Behavioral Therapy, and Narrative Therapy techniques. My specific therapy style assists clients in their journey and helps individuals understand thoughts, feelings, reactions, and responses, aiding with healing and growth. This can lead to a life that feels more grounded, joyful, and meaningful. I have experience working as an intensive outpatient therapist providing individual therapy, group therapy, and case management. I have experience working with children, teens, adults and their families as an Elementary, Middle, High School special education/general education, and adult inpatient therapist. I have worked with individuals from various walks of life, various spiritual beliefs, gender orientations, and a variety of racial, ethnic, and socioeconomic backgrounds.

I am a licensed Marriage and Family Therapist with an integrative approach to my work. My specialties include Cognitive Behavioral therapy, anxiety, grief, art therapy, stress management, mindfulness and guided imagery. I have a collaborative client-centered approach, which is warm, safe, empathetic and non-judgmental. I help you discover your own insight, cultivate strengths and find meaning and purpose for a more balanced life.

I have worked in private practice and the school systems providing Educationally Related Mental Health Services (ERMHS) for almost 25 years. During this time I founded a small business where my team and I provide these mental health services individually and in groups on-site to school districts all over Sonoma County, CA. I love working with children k-12 and their families. I have worked in non-public schools, public schools, and privately with at-risk youth and their families. This has been my passion my whole career. I have been married to my lovely wife for 18 years, together for 24 years and we have two beautiful children. Our son is 13 and our daughter is 10. I enjoy all things outdoors. I surfed competitively in my youth and I love mountain biking, snowboarding and anything that has to do with water, but my main love is spending time with my family.

Hello I'm Jessica! I am a therapist with a passion for supporting maternal/paternal and prenatal mental mental health, I understand the unique challenges and joys that come with starting a family and raising children, as well as those with special needs such as ADHD and autism. My goal is to provide a safe and non-judgmental space for moms and parents to explore their thoughts and feelings, and to develop the tools and strategies necessary to navigate the ups and downs of parenthood. With a compassionate and strengths-based approach, we will work collaboratively to identify your goals and priorities, and develop a personalized plan for achieving them. Whether you are struggling with postpartum depression or anxiety, feeling overwhelmed by the demands of parenting, or simply looking for a supportive and understanding ally on your journey, I am here to help. With years of experience and training in various therapeutic modalities, I am committed to providing evidence-based interventions that are tailored to the unique needs and circumstances of each individual client. My ultimate goal is to help moms and parents feel empowered, resilient, and confident in their ability to care for themselves and their families.

I’m Steven Frank. I am a licensed Marriage and Family Therapist (MFT), licensed in California and living in Seattle, Washington. The way the law works is that if I have a California license, I can live outside of California, but can only work with California residents. For that reason, all my work is perforyemed online through telehealth. I see primarily adults and seniors in my practice and while I work mostly withindividuals, I will also see couples when needed. I’ve been licensed since 1983 but actually began to “grow” a private practice beginning in 1990. While most of my experience has been with clients dealing with depression and anxiety, over the last 4-5 years I’ve been more focused on the treatment for symptoms of trauma and abuse. I’ve been trained in EMDR (a specific treatment for trauma), and will use that method as needed, when appropriate, and with your understanding of the process, and consent. By the way, my first job experience (before beginning my schooling for the MFT license), was in the California State Hospital system as a psychiatric technician. I was a member of a hospital inpatient treatment team that treated people with severe mental disorders. This was excellent training for working with clients who are seeking help, but on an outpatient basis.

I am a Licensed Professional Clinical Counselor who has worked with individuals that are experiencing a variation of difficulties. I specialize in helping patients with anxiety, depression, and stress. I also have experience helping individuals with ADHD, brain injury, relationships, self-esteem, school/career and other life difficulties. We all want to be heard when something is bothering us. Having someone hear us when we are upset can mean a lot. It can also feel good to have someone to vent to when a day has been long. I am interested in helping you through life's struggles and setting goals for the future. I'm also here to guide and support you through difficult experiences. I am here to listen because sometimes you may need to share when life changes or need help processing what has happened. I want to be there for you even when the day is neither good or bad. I am here.

I have been a licensed therapist for 19 years. I believe the most important part of therapy is the therapeutic relationship. The therapeutic relationship is formed in a collaboration between myself and my clients in an environment of mutual acceptance and respect. In addition to my education, training and experience as a therapist I rely on my innate skills as an active listener, my good memory and genuine caring to guide me in my approach to therapy.

I am a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist offering supportive, strength-based therapy to adults and families. I have a B.A. in Psychology from George Mason University in Fairfax, Virginia and an M.A. in Counseling with Emphasis in Marriage and Family Therapy from Webster University in Irvine, California. Throughout my carrier, I have worked with clients with a variety of issues and from all socio-economic, cultural and religious backgrounds. My experience in College Hospital, a mental health facility, trained me to understand how different mental health issues can be compounded by trauma and substance abuse, as well as preparing me for dealing with clients with variety of mental health problems. I have extensive experience with children, adolescents and adults who had experienced different traumas. Among my areas of experience are anxiety, depression, self-esteem issues, women's issues, adolescents' issues and family problems. I utilize many different treatment modalities and treatment techniques depending on the client's needs.

Dr. Diane Dunne, Ph.D. is a Licensed Psychologist who has successfully helped her patients for more than 25 years utilizing an integrative approach to therapy! Her passion for serving others and her positiveness has enabled her to provide care to a diverse population of patients over many years. She is filled with enthusiasm and positiveness and seeks to “pass it forward”! Being a Clinical Psychologist has always been her passion because she feels a deep caring and compassion for others. Many have shared with her that they appreciate her warmth and compassion in addition to enjoying her laughter and fun-loving nature as they have explored their issues with her. In addition to providing individual therapy for meeting your personal goals, as a parent of twin boys who are now grown, she is able to offer assistance to meet your challenges in parenting by offering positive parenting recommendations from the perspective of a Psychologist, an Educator and a Parent:-)

I am a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist. I provide a safe, accepting, and mindful environment as well as culturally sensitive services for children, adults, and families who are experiencing difficulties with emotional stress such as anxiety, depression, post-traumatic stress, behavioral issues such as ADHD, defiant, and oppositional behaviors, culture-related stress such as immigration and issues regarding identity including gender variant clients. I strive to help clients move beyond the point that prevents them from living fulfilling lives. In helping clients to realize their life goals, I'll assist them in identifying possible ineffective responses to life stressors and coping patterns in order to replace them with those that lead to a higher quality of living.

Hello and welcome! I am a Licensed Marriage Family Therapist with over 10 years experience providing therapy. I earned my Bachelors Degree in Psychology from California State University Sacramento in 2010. I earned my Masters in Counseling from The University of San Francisco's Sacramento satellite campus in 2012. I have worked with a wide variety of clients struggling with various mental health and other interpersonal challenges. My approach to therapy begins with establishing a genuine connection with each client and their challenges. . I establish this by providing a warm, open, safe, and non - judgmental environment.

I am a Licensed Clinician in California, with over three decades of clinical experience. I specialize in culturally competent, Christian-integrated, strength-based therapy. My approach combines Biblical principles, Christian values, wisdom, and clinical expertise to support those seeking healing through a holistic and compassionate framework. I offer culturally competent therapeutic interventions, respecting all cultures and emphasizing the client's strengths as the foundation for overcoming challenges.

Hi my name is Hilary Matthews and I am a therapist specializing in mood disorders, substance use treatment and trauma. People often report fears and sadness as life changes affect them. I beleive that change is something to embrace and I will show you how. In my client centered practice I use Cognitive behavior, mindfulness, motivational interviewing, trauma informed care to assist clients with their challenges.

Hello, my name is Seana Aylen and I'm a licensed clinical social worker who has a passion for assisting individuals who find themselves needing a bit of support to get through their current struggles. I believe in empowering individuals and working collaboratively to resolve feelings of anxiety, depression, or a range of troubled interpersonal dynamics. I have been fortunate to have a long career in the field of assisting others, thereby, have created a sense of understanding and empathy, while presenting as authentic. I understand that life is sometimes a bit messy and everyone could potentially use someone to guide them in their return to personal happiness and a sense of stability and peace. Together we can collaborate and find a way to get you back into a balance, addressing the individualized troubles that have been making life challenging.

Hello, my name is Charity a dedicated Marriage and Family Therapist committed to fostering a safe and caring environment for individuals, couples and families. With a nonjudgmental approach, I strive to create a space where open communication and personal growth flourishes. I have worked with a diverse range of clients, including individuals, couples, and families. My practice is inclusive and welcomes clients dealing with various issues to include: relationship challenges, personal growth, existential concerns, and navigating family dynamics. My focus is on providing a supportive and understanding space for each client's journey towards well-being.

Hello. I am here with 19 years of experience balanced with cultural competence and sensitivity to varied backgrounds, including socioeconomic status, ethnicity, religious beliefs, sexual orientation, and gender identity. As a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, my training is rooted in psychotherapy and family systems theory. My approach is with an emphasis on valuing and utilizing the client's own expertise and understanding of their life circumstances, prioritizing individualized care, and recognizing that no single therapeutic modality fits every client or challenge.

Hi! I am a Licensed Clinical Social Worker (LCSW) practicing in California, Texas, and Florida. I graduated from University of Southern California and have been working in mental health for the past 10 years. I enjoy working with people in all phases of their lives to maximize their well-being and potential in their personal and professional lives. I have specialized training in military culture and concerns and am well-versed in the systems, challenges, and rewards experienced by our active-duty service members, veterans, and their families.

Hi! I'm a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist (LMFT) and a Registered Art Therapist based in California. I have been practicing for 18 years with an array of populations and in different settings. I help individuals struggling with anxiety, depression, stress, burnout, and relational issues, or personal struggles that may be causing distress and preventing them from becoming their best self, or preventing them to meet their goals in life.

You don’t have to keep pretending everything’s fine when it’s not. I’m a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist who works with individuals, couples, and families ready to break free from stress, disconnection, or emotional overwhelm. Whether you’re navigating anxiety, relationship struggles, or feeling stuck in old patterns, I’m here to help you reconnect with yourself and those around you. Together, we’ll create a space where healing and growth feel possible, and where real, lasting change can begin.

Hi ! I am a Licensed Marriage Family Therapist. I received my Master from The Chicago School of Professional Psychology and have been practicing for 10 years. I work with those who are experiencing difficulty completing day-to-day tasks as a result of trauma or loss. If you are ready to change things in your life I am here to support you. Begin your journey to healing now!

I bring empathy, insight, and clinical skills, to the therapeutic process. I help clients struggling with stress/anxiety, depression, relationship or family issues, life transitions, learning disabilities, career struggles, and grief. I interact with clients in their growth process by increasing awareness of the source of their distress, implementing new ways of thinking to positively affect their experiences and helping them learn healthier coping responses in their life. Seeking therapy is a courageous choice, and I will join you in this endeavor by using an integrative and interactive approach to help you gain insight into your processes and live a more enjoyable life.

Hey there! My name is Jaclyn, and I’m a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist based in California, practicing for six years. I offer a relaxed, non-judgmental space where clients can explore their concerns at their own pace. My approach is client-led, ensuring sessions are tailored to individual needs while equipping clients with practical tools for growth. With a supportive, warm, and empathetic presence, I help clients navigate challenges, fostering trust and empowerment in their journey toward healing.

Thank you for visiting my profile. I consider myself to be a focused, inspired, compassionate, curious, solution-oriented, somatic, holistic, client-centered therapist. Providing the kind of support, understanding, and insights that give my clients the hope, motivation, and aha moments to elevate their self experience and personal healing to the next level. My intention is to provide the best and most consistent service to each person I have the privilege to meet.

Hello, thanks for visiting my page. I am Dr. Banigo, and I love to collaborate with patients and render needed assistance. I am a skilled clinician, and I provide clinical supervision to clinicians focused on sharpening their clinical skills. I am an adjunct professor. I encourage patients to actively participate in their care with me and other treatment providers such as primary care physicians, psychiatrists, and others. I do not complete disability forms (Social Security, work excuse, FMLA, Court papers/legal papers, emotional support letters, etc).

Hello, my name is Layla Hernandez. I am a Licensed Clinical Social Worker with extensive experience in the mental health field. I'm fluent in English and Spanish and take a client-focused approach to therapy. I utilize evidence-based techniques, such as Cognitive Behavioral Therapy (CBT), Trauma-Focused CBT (TF-CBT), Solution-Focused, and Dialectical Behavioral Therapy (DBT), to ensure the best outcomes for my clients.

Your life is changing and you’re not sure why you’re not handling it better. In my work with clients, I’ve seen that even good changes can make usually well-adjusted people struggle with day-to-day stress that didn’t seem to be a challenge in the past. I’ve worked with people who struggle with communicating emotions, prioritizing themselves, or feeling like their best is not good enough. If you feel like you can identify with those experiences and are not sure how to change things, I’d love to work with you.

My name is Monica Smith, and I’m a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist (LMFT) based in California, providing telehealth services to adults statewide. I specialize in treating anxiety, depression, and trauma using evidence-based approaches like Cognitive Behavioral Therapy (CBT), Trauma-Focused CBT, and Dialectical Behavior Therapy (DBT) to name a few. I help clients build awareness, develop coping skills, and improve their overall emotional well-being.

Hi. I'm a licensed Marriage and Family Therapist based in California. I have years of experience working with clients in a psychiatric hospital setting as well as substance abuse outpatient treatment facility. I have worked with children, teens, and adults. I have worked with individuals who are experiencing depression, anxiety, adjusting to new environments/life changes, and those working on their sobriety.

I am a licensed clinical psychologist in California, committed to helping adults and couples navigate life’s challenges with empathy and expertise. My work focuses on addressing mood disorders, anxiety, personality-related concerns, grief, life transitions, and relationship complications. I also provide support for overcoming trauma, building self-confidence, and enhancing self-esteem.I am fluent in both English and Farsi (Persian) and have extensive experience working with clients from diverse backgrounds.

Life can be overwhelming, especially for women trying to juggle everything and keep it all together. Maybe you're stuck in a cycle of anxiety, battling negative thoughts, carrying the weight of past trauma, or just feeling like you're not measuring up. If that sounds familiar, I want you to know you're not alone and you're not without hope. Hi there! I’m Claudia Johnson, a licensed therapist who works with women navigating anxiety, trauma, self-esteem struggles, and the highs and lows of motherhood. As a Christian therapist, I believe healing happens when we combine practical tools with the truth of God’s Word.

Perinatal Mental Health Certified Therapist. Thank you for taking the brave step to seek help during this challenging time. It takes courage to reach out, and I’m here to support you with compassion and care as you navigate this journey. My name is Terri and I am a licensed clinical social worker (LCSW) in the state of California dedicated to supporting individuals and their families during life’s transitions. In addition to providing therapy services with Thrive with Thistle Therapy, I am a mother of two young children and I serve as a clinical social worker on the mother-baby units of a hospital. I have experience providing care and support to patients and their families navigating challenges including: pregnancy complications, baby blues, difficulty adjusting postpartum, perinatal mood and anxiety disorders (PMADs), birth trauma, NICU admission for their baby, adoption, surrogacy, infertility, pregnancy and newborn loss, and first time parents. ​ I hold a Master of Social Work (MSW) degree from the University of Southern California (USC) and a Bachelor of Arts in Psychology from Chapman University. In an effort to better serve my clients, I obtained a Perinatal Mental Health Certification (PMH-C) from Postpartum Support International to equip me with specialized knowledge and skills to support individuals during pregnancy and the postpartum period.

Are you struggling with your work-life balance, family unit, parent-child relationship, or other relationships? Are these conflicts bringing you overwhelming emotions and distress? Are you in need of more healthy coping skills? As a professional therapist (LMFT) of over 14 years, I strive to empower client success while being a guiding presence in a supportive and safe space. By managing anxiety and dealing with burnout in the workplace, at home, and in relationships you can involve yourself in ideas and activities that bring you to the present and guide you toward your desired future. I am currently working with individual clients 18 and over only, and not accepting couples.

Hi! I’m Heidi! I know how hard it is to spill your guts to a stranger, and I don’t take that lightly. Feeling safe and comfortable is the most important part of therapy, and I strive to create a space where you can be yourself without fear of judgment. You don’t have to do this alone—I’m here to help. I take a down-to-earth, real-world approach to therapy because I’ve survived my own struggles, and I know what it’s like to fight for healing. My approach integrates evidence-based therapies with holistic and mindfulness-based techniques to address the whole person—mind, body, and spirit. Whether you are struggling with anxiety, depression, trauma, addiction, or relationship challenges, I offer a compassionate, nonjudgmental space to explore your emotions and create lasting change. I have worked in inpatient facilities specializing in substance abuse, mental health, and trauma, providing intensive support to individuals in crisis. In my private practice, I have worked with both survivors and perpetrators of domestic violence, as well as high-profile individuals in Hollywood who require a high level of discretion and specialized care. My experience in these settings has deepened my understanding of complex trauma, addiction, and the unique stressors that come with high-pressure environments.

Hello, I am Stephanie Moreno-Carvajal and I have over 10 years of experience providing therapy for adults and adolescents from various multicultural backgrounds with a trauma-informed approach. I specialize in working with women from various ethnic backgrounds, particularly first-generation children of immigrant parents.I provide a warm and friendly environment open to discuss the treatment style that you would like as well as therapy goals. Sliding Scale fees are available.

Hi, I’m Victoria Elena Lane, an LCSW in California. I provide inclusive, affirming care for Queer, Trans, BIPOC, and Women’s rights communities. Specializing in anxiety, depression, life transitions, and identity-based stressors, I use a client-centered, solution-focused approach to support individuals at every stage of their mental health journey. Together, we’ll uncover clarity, foster balance, and empower growth in a safe, supportive space.

I am Filipino American and immigrated to the United States as a child. While I am not fluent in Tagalog, I can understand Tagalog. I am a licensed clinical social worker (LCSW) based in Santa Clara County. I received my master's degree in social work from San Jose State University (SJSU). I have experience working with younger to older adults who struggle with depression and anxiety.

Hi, I’m Danielle, a psychotherapist with over 8 years of experience. I hold a Master of Arts in Clinical Psychology from Pepperdine University. My approach is rooted in empathy, authenticity, and a touch of humor—because healing doesn’t always have to feel so heavy. I blend evidence-based techniques with a personalized, down-to-earth style to ensure therapy feels like a collaborative and empowering journey.

Hi, I have been providing social services for the last thirty years and have learned that at times we all need some support as life happens. I have also learned that people have benefited from being heard, provided emotional support, tools and greater understanding of solutions to unique challenges. It would be my honor to partner with you in your wellness journey.

Hello! I am Vanessa Ly and it's so great to meet you. Am a Licensed Clinical Social Worker (LCSW) based in California. I specialize in treating younger adults and adults who struggle with anxiety, depression, life transitions, self-esteem, or relationship concerns. I have also worked closely with first generation individuals and families to be the cycle breaker. I believe that positive change and growth can happen and it’s the first step to your journey of healing.

Hello! I am a Licensed Clinical Social Worker (LCSW) based in California. I received my Masters from California State University, Fullerton, and have been practicing for 7 years. I help couples and adults struggling with depression, anxiety, and trauma related symptoms navigate these different challenges. I will accept you, validate you, challenge you, but most importantly, give you a space to be all that you are.

Hi! My name is Bhavan and I am a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist practicing in California. I specialize in trauma-informed care, PTSD, anxiety, and depression, along with a variety of other issues. My approach is rooted in empathy, compassion, and respect for your unique experiences. My work also encompasses cultural identity by focusing on you as an individual and supporting you explore how your cultural lens shapes your understanding of trauma and resilience. My aim is to support you along your healing journey towards well-being, by helping you reclaim your sense of self, safety, balance, and personal strength.

I enjoy working with adults who struggle with anger management. It's important to identify and understand the root cause of anger . Often, clients discover that hurt, shame, fear, embarrassment or loss are the triggers to unresolved anger. The good news is this can be solved, allowing clients to live more healthy, nurturing and fulfilled lives. I use a strength based, skill driven, cognitive approach that is backed by research. Focus is given on identifying and eliminating thinking patterns that lead to unwanted aggressive behavior, homework assignments are provided to track daily thoughts and emotions and communication skills are taught to help you say what you mean - in a meaningful way.

Hello! I am a bilingual Licensed Clinical Social Worker in California with a Master’s degree in Social Work focused on Children and Families. My practice is client-centered, culturally affirming, and rooted in evidence-based approaches. I have significant experience working with children, teens, young adults, and their families, helping them address challenges like anxiety, depression, emotional regulation, behavioral issues, grief, loss, trauma, self-esteem, family dynamics, divorce or separation, and life transitions.

Hello, my name is Virginia. I am a bilingual (English/Spanish) Licensed Marriage Family Therapist in California. I have experience working with various ages from 3 to 50-years-old. I have worked in community-based mental health services to intense services with children, youth, and adults. Do you ever feel mixed emotions about specific events, situations, or relationships? Do you want to become more self-aware of yourself as an individual and increase your motivation? I love exploring self-awareness and self-love. I have a very open-minded style but can also be transparent to help motivate and challenge you. I enjoy making a difference in others’ lives. I believe that “On the other side of FEAR is SUCCESS.” Let’s work together to create change.

Hello, I am a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist in California. I received my masters from Hope International University in Fullerton, CA and have been working with clients for 5 years. I help adults who are trying to navigate and find themselves in the world. Having a family systems background, I love learning about you and your background as well as identifying generational patterns.

Welcome! I’m Madeleine Leclaire. Mental health struggles can leave you feeling overwhelmed, isolated, and discouraged. Searching for a therapist is your first step on the journey to take control of your symptoms and improve your quality of life. I’m here to guide you on that journey! I seek to create a safe and supportive space where you can experience acceptance while we explore your experiences with anxiety, depression, or trauma. I focus on helping you develop the unique skills to address your symptoms, reach your wellness goals, and live the life you want. You and not the problem. The problem is the problem. Mental health symptoms can lead you to a dark and scary space. Are you ready to separate yourself from anxiety, depression, or trauma and take control of your mental health? Let me help you find the light.

I am a Psychologist licensed in California and have provided psychotherapy to individuals for over 30 years. I am also a lifelong artist and I am interested in how the creative process functions in our lives. I help people connect with their true potential that may have been ignored or forgotten in their search for meaning and purpose in their lives.

Hello. My name is Brian Kaufman. I am a licensed clinical social worker. I am licensed in California with over 20 years of professional experience. I believe in treating everyone with dignity, respect, sensitivity, and compassion. My commitment to you is to be by your side every step of the way. I believe there is goodness inside of everyone and I will be sure to point out to you where that goodness is inside of you. Taking the first step to sign up for therapy can take courage and I am proud of you for getting started!

As a clinician, I am dedicated to achieving results for my clients. I believe my clients can find their best solutions, and my job is to help them navigate towards these goals. I take a collaborative approach, working together with my clients to explore and distinguish difficult emotions and their underlying story. Once my client has a good understanding of where they’ve been and where they are, we can work together to plot a course towards where they want to me.