Attachment-Based Therapy Therapists in Virginia

Attachment-Based Therapy focuses on the emotional bonds formed early in life between children and their caregivers, exploring how these connections influence relationships and emotional well-being throughout life. This approach helps individuals heal attachment wounds from childhood or past experiences, fostering stronger, more secure relationships in the present. Ideal for those navigating relationship challenges or the effects of trauma, Attachment-Based Therapy nurtures trust, connection, and emotional healing. With 28 therapists in Virginia specializing in this supportive approach, you can access compassionate, personalized care tailored to your unique needs. Each Grow Therapy-verified therapist listed below is welcoming new clients, offering timely availability to support your journey toward deeper connection and healing.

Availability updated: 3/17/2026

Solution oriented
Empowering
Authentic

Specialties

Anxiety
Mood Disorders
Trauma and PTSD
+9
I am a licensed professional counselor (LPC) in Virgina. I am completing my Ph. D. in Psychology and Counseling with an emphasis in trauma and crisis. I have facilitated therapeutic practices with children through geriatric clients in my 30+ year career. I enjoy working with veterans, women's and men's conflicts, couples, and those diagnosed with developmental disabilities (ID/DD) as long as they can be responsive via telehealth. Please contact me for a consult.
VirtualAvailable
Empowering
Humorous
Authentic

Specialties

Parenting
Perinatal Mental Health
Post Partum
+10
Hello! I am a Licensed Professional Counselor in both Pennsylvania and Virginia. I completed a B.A. in Psychology at Temple University before attending PennWest Edinboro where I earned my Master’s Degree in Clinical Psychology. Additionally, I completed an M.A. in Counseling at Eastern Mennonite University in Harrisonburg, Virginia. I have spent the last 10 years specializing in parent-child attachment and relationship building. I was a Clinical Supervisor and am a Certified COSN Therapist & Certified COSN Parent Educator with the Ainsworth Attachment Clinic and Circle of Security Network. I am also a Registered COSP Facilitator with Circle of Security International. In 2024, I obtained my PMH-C certification to treat Perinatal Mood Disorders through Postpartum Support International. I work primarily with women who are struggling on their perinatal journey. I also work with a wider variety of women's issues as well that may be unrelated to the perinatal period such as life transitions, relationship issues, career/work concerns, depression, anxiety, trauma, self-esteem concerns, and people pleasing. I also have extensive experience working with individuals who have been in or have had children in the foster care system and the world of adoption. ​
VirtualAvailable

Often rebooked

Empowering
Solution oriented

Specialties

Anxiety
Self Esteem
Women's Issues
+9
Welcome! You're in the right place. I am a licensed clinical social worker and psychotherapist with 4 years of experience in both inpatient (residential and partial hospitalization) and outpatient settings. I have experience treating adolescents, adults, families, and couples with various presenting concerns, such as eating and feeding disorders, anxiety, depression, interpersonal relationship concerns/family conflict, self-esteem, and life transitions/adjustment (such as from military service to civilian life, university, marriage, family development, etc.). Scheduling/Availability: I run a clinic during the week, which does limit my availability for Grow. I find that transparency with my availability has been supportive for my clients in determining if I am the right fit. At this time, I have availability Monday, Tuesday, and Wednesday at 6:00 pm, Thursdays from 4:00 pm-6:00 pm, and Fridays beginning at 9:00 am until the mid-to-late afternoon (much more flexible on this day). I can work with you on scheduling. Please don't hesitate to ask any questions you may have.
VirtualAvailable

Often rebooked

Warm
Solution oriented
Authentic

Specialties

Coping Skills
Grief
Women's Issues
+4
Greetings, My name is Louise, I am located in Virginia, and I hope this message finds you well. I am married, the mother of one grown child, and the grandmother of one. I want to introduce myself as someone who is passionate about helping others overcome life's challenges. If you've experienced childhood trauma, the loss of a loved one, or are struggling with work/life balance, I would be honored to collaborate with you. Using evidenced-based tools, we can explore your biopsychosocial and spiritual world to find your resources and areas to strengthen. My goal is to help you feel more at peace and understand why you react to certain situations the way you do. During our time together, I will provide a safe, empathetic, and objective environment for you to explore these areas of your life. With a background in teaching, biochemistry, and mental health treatment, as well as personal life experiences, I am here to help you discuss areas that are stressing you and utilize tools that will grow your toolbox. I look forward to the opportunity to work with you. Take care!
VirtualAvailable
Humorous
Empowering

Specialties

Child or Adolescent
Peer Relationships
ADHD
+6
Meet Tamera Your Partner in Healing and Growth As a Licensed Clinical Social Worker (LCSW) and founder of Thrive Collective Services, I bring compassion, creativity, and clinical expertise to every session. I specialize in working with children, teens, adults, and families who are navigating challenges such as trauma, anxiety, depression, emotional dysregulation, and life transitions. With a strong foundation in evidence-based practices: including Cognitive Behavioral Therapy (CBT), Child-Parent Psychotherapy (CPP), Family Therapy, Mindfulness-Based Therapy, and Psychoeducation, I provide a supportive space where individuals feel seen, heard, and empowered to grow. My work is rooted in the belief that healing happens through connection, understanding, and practical tools. Whether you're a parent seeking support for your child, a teen learning to manage emotions, or an adult working through generational trauma, I tailor treatment to meet you where you are. Together, we’ll build resilience, strengthen relationships, and move toward lasting change one step at a time.
VirtualAvailable
Open-minded
Solution oriented
Warm

Specialties

Anxiety
Depression
Trauma and PTSD
+6
Nice to meet you! I am Krystle Landes, a Licensed Professional Counselor supporting clients in the state of Texas and Virginia. I strive to provide a safe and secure space to allow you to process through growth, ruptures and work towards your identified transformation. The therapy journey is unique to you and even though I ground my work in theory, I recognize that there is no cookie cutter approach to facilitating change and understanding. I tailor my approach to your strengths and areas of growth in the context of your unique circumstances and goals. We are in this together and I am honored to walk alongside your journey.
VirtualAvailable
Warm
Empowering

Specialties

Anxiety
Couples Counseling
Depression
+8
I’m a licensed therapist who believes healing is possible when mind, body, and spirit are supported; not just symptoms managed. I help individuals navigating anxiety, stress, trauma, grief, relationship concerns, and major life transitions. My approach blends evidence-based therapy (CBT, DBT, trauma-informed and attachment-focused care) with practical tools that help you shift patterns, strengthen boundaries, and improve emotional regulation. Therapy with me is both supportive and forward-moving: you’ll feel seen, challenged in a healthy way, and equipped with strategies you can use in real time. Faith integration is available for clients who want it.
VirtualAvailable
Solution oriented
Authentic
Empowering

Specialties

Anxiety
Depression
Trauma and PTSD
+10
Hi there! I’m a Licensed Clinical Social Worker (LCSW) based in Virginia. I earned my Master’s degree from Fordham University and have spent the past three years supporting individuals through both inpatient and outpatient care. I’ve guided clients in both individual and group therapy settings, and I truly value creating a space where people feel seen, heard, and safe to explore whatever they’re facing. I especially enjoy working with young adults and adults navigating anxiety, depression, and life transitions. My goal is to help you build the tools and insight you need to feel more grounded, empowered, and fulfilled in your everyday life.
VirtualAvailable
Open-minded

Specialties

Anxiety
Life Transitions
Women's Issues
+6
Hi, I’m Courtney Flores Williams, a Licensed Clinical Social Worker. I work with adults and couples who are navigating anxiety, relationship challenges, grief, or major life transitions, helping them feel more grounded and in control of their lives. I take a collaborative, practical approach—balancing insight with tools you can actually use day-to-day. My goal is to create a space where you feel safe, heard, and supported while exploring your experiences and building strategies that make life feel a little easier and more fulfilling. I love helping clients gain clarity, confidence, and stronger connections with themselves and the people who matter most. Therapy with me is about understanding your story and finding ways to move forward in a way that feels authentic to you.
VirtualAvailable

Specialties

Anxiety
Depression
Trauma and PTSD
+2
Hi, I'm Amanda, I am grateful to assist clients work through trauma and emotional dysregulation. I am currently licensed in KY, OH, VA, TX and FL and reside in Lexington, KY. I specialize in trauma therapy, specifically surrounding attachment and early childhood traumas, as well as specific traumatic events. I have 8 years experience working with people of all ages, and I am currently working specifically with adults. I utilize an integrative combination of Attachment, Internal Family Systems, EMDR, Polyvagal Theory, and Mindfulness.
VirtualAvailable

Often rebooked

Open-minded
Solution oriented
Intelligent

Specialties

Family Conflict
LGBTQ
Life Transitions
+10
Hey there! I'm an LCSW based in VA/ID, originally from the PNW. I'm a military spouse and proud dog mom. My presentation is warm, laid-back, and open-minded with some appropriately sprinkled humor. I am human, as are you. Therefore my therapeutic style tends to be conversational, curious and collaborative as I seek to meet you where you are for us to co-create a healing space that is conducive to addressing your needs.
VirtualAvailable

Often rebooked

Empowering
Solution oriented
Intelligent

Specialties

ADHD
Depression
Self Esteem
+10
Sometimes life feels harder than it should. You might be carrying something that’s been with you for years, or maybe something recent has thrown you off balance. Either way, you’ve been trying to push through, but it feels like you’re stuck in the same loop and can’t quite find your footing. I’m Katie, a Licensed Clinical Social Worker who believes therapy should feel safe, honest, and human. My work centers on compassion—helping you understand what’s beneath the surface, quiet the self-blame, and build tools that actually fit your life. Whether you’re working through anxiety, grief, relationship stress, or the effects of past trauma, we’ll focus on creating lasting change one step at a time. Together, we’ll make sense of what’s been holding you back and strengthen what helps you move forward. You don’t have to have it all figured out, you just have to start. I offer evening and weekend sessions for those who need support outside the workday.
VirtualAvailable
Authentic
Solution oriented
Direct

Specialties

Anxiety
Depression
Life Transitions
+4
I am a Clinical Social Worker that focuses on helping people who are experiencing anxiety or depression. I have been in this field for more than 10 years and love watching people I work with feel like they have control over their lives again. I believe that the body and brain hold onto experiences after certain events and might get hung up or even stuck. In my assessments, I determine how these impacts can reveal themselves in our behaviors and the decisions that we make every day. I work to help identify where the mind and body have gotten hung up and I use an eclectic “whole person” approach to unraveling these barrier areas in life.
VirtualAvailable
Authentic
Direct
Empowering

Specialties

Life Transitions
Self Esteem
Trauma and PTSD
+6
I specialize in helping clients break out of codependency and being stuck in repetitive cycles of behavior by addressing self-sabotage, low self-esteem, and developing self-sufficiency. I focus on helping you understand and manage your physical responses to the world, which leads to managing overstimulation and emotions. You'll develop a sense of control and understanding of your experiences, finding freedom from impulsivity and overwhelm so you can feel calmer and make more intentional, healthy choices. I work with adults looking to create change in their lives. You're interested in being responsible for your choices, seeking validation in your pain while breaking out of repetitive cycles to find freedom in a new life. I have a strong background with depression, anxiety, and clients with immigrant parents, particularly those of AAPI descent. Specialties: -Individuation & identity development -Codependency & relationship patterns -Life transitions & life stage challenges -Boundaries, self-worth & people-pleasing -Self-discovery & personal growth -Anxiety related to change & uncertainty
VirtualAvailable
Authentic
Intelligent

Specialties

Addiction
Trauma and PTSD
Women's Issues
I’m a Licensed Professional Counselor, Certified Substance Abuse Counselor, Licensed Substance Abuse Treatment Practitioner and Certified Clinical Trauma Professional with over 9 years of experience providing compassionate and effective counseling services. Letting someone in and seeking support is one of the most powerful gifts you can give yourself. I truly believe that we all carry inner wisdom but at times that voice can be difficult to hear. A strong therapeutic relationship can help bring that wisdom to the surface so that it stays with you long after therapy ends.
VirtualAvailable
Authentic
Empowering
Solution oriented

Specialties

Addiction
Life Transitions
Trauma and PTSD
+8
Renee Tong, LCSW, LISW is a highly skilled and compassionate clinical therapist dedicated to providing exceptional mental health care and support to adults over age 18, and seniors and is LGBTQ-friendly. Her private practice began in 2007. With a wealth of experience and a profound understanding of human behavior, Renee is committed to helping her clients navigate life's challenges and achieve personal growth. Renee earned her Master's degree in Social Work from Barry University, Florida, equipping her with a solid foundation in evidence-based therapeutic techniques and theories. She went on to obtain her clinical licensure as a Licensed Clinical Social Worker (LCSW), demonstrating her commitment to professional excellence and ethical practice. She is currently licensed in the following states: Florida, Arizona, Virginia, Massachusetts, North Carolina, South Carolina, Washington, Oregon, Ohio, and Kansas. Throughout her career, Renee has successfully assisted clients from diverse backgrounds and with a wide range of mental health concerns. Her expertise spans various areas, including life transitions, anxiety, depression, trauma, relationship issues, grief and loss, self-esteem struggles, Stress and worry, Caregiver stress, PTSD, Trauma, ACOA (Adult Child of Alcoholic or Drug Addict), addictions, Relapse Prevention, Dual Diagnosis, Grief, Shame and Guilt, Abandonment issues, Betrayal, Codependency, Toxic Relationships, Postpartum Depression, and Infertility-informed. By employing a holistic and client-centered approach, Renee fosters a safe and non-judgmental space for individuals to explore their emotions, thoughts, and experiences. Renee's therapeutic style combines empathy, active listening, and collaboration, ensuring that each client's unique needs and goals are addressed effectively. She employs evidence-based interventions such as cognitive-behavioral therapy (CBT), mindfulness techniques, solution-focused therapy to promote personal insight, resilience, inner child wound work, narrative therapy, attachment style theory method along with client center humanistic approach towards positive change.
VirtualAvailable
Empowering
Authentic
Warm

Specialties

Child or Adolescent
Couples Counseling
Trauma and PTSD
+10
Hello, I am Michele Gunter, a Licensed Clinical Social Worker in the Commonwealth of Virginia. I have worked for over 24 years as a LCSW. I have a wealth of experience helping people from ages 5-85 with issues such anxiety, depression, trauma, relationship issues, mood disorders, OCD, and many more issues. I focus on meeting my client where they are and helping them gain insight, understanding, self-discovery, and healing. My goals is to empower you to free yourself from the patterns that hinder your well-being, fostering resilience, and a renewed sense of self.
VirtualAvailable
Intelligent
Warm
Solution oriented

Specialties

Anxiety
Depression
Trauma and PTSD
+10
Hello and welcome. I’m Ashley Butt, LCSW, a licensed clinical social worker specializing in helping adults navigate anxiety, depression, and trauma. I offer a warm, collaborative, and nonjudgmental space where clients feel safe to do deep, meaningful work. My approach is trauma-informed, evidence-based, and centered around your unique needs and goals. I’m here to help you move beyond survival and reconnect with the version of yourself that feels whole, grounded, and empowered.
VirtualAvailable
Authentic
Open-minded
Direct

Specialties

Anxiety
Couples Counseling
Depression
+12
Hi, I’m Tiffany. I work with individuals and couples experiencing anxiety, depression, trauma-related stress, and relationship challenges, as well as those seeking structured support and accountability to reach their full potential. My approach integrates Cognitive Behavioral Therapy (CBT), Dialectical Behavior Therapy (DBT), trauma-informed therapy, and Gottman Method–informed couples therapy to help clients better understand the connection between thoughts, emotions, behaviors, and relational patterns. I provide a supportive, goal-oriented space with a strong focus on resilience, emotional regulation, and meaningful personal growth.
VirtualAvailable
Warm
Authentic
Open-minded

Specialties

Anxiety
Coping Skills
Depression
+10
Hi! My name is Camilla Cryer and I am a Licensed Professional Counselor in Virginia and a National Certified Counselor. I obtained my Associate of Arts Degree in Liberal Arts from Bucks County Community College, a Bachelor of Arts Degree in Psychology from the University of Virginia, and a Master of Arts Degree in Community Counseling from Regent University. Currently, I am working on my Doctorate Degree in Counseling and Psychological Studies with a concentration on Human Services. I am a versatile professional counselor with extensive experience in various settings, ranging from residential group homes for adults with Intellectual Disabilities to substance abuse treatment programs and homes for victims of domestic violence. Over the course of my career, I have provided counseling services to clients with major clinical diagnoses, children, teens, parents, couples, and families. My expertise includes offering support in group therapy and providing individual outpatient counseling. I am also currently serving clients in my local crisis facility, where I offer immediate support and counseling to individuals in distress. My commitment to community service projects reflects my belief in giving back to the community, further emphasizing my dedication to making a positive impact on people's lives. My diverse background equips me to address a wide range of mental health challenges and life situations, allowing me to create tailored counseling approaches for each individual I work with. My goal is to empower my clients, helping them navigate through their difficulties and fostering positive changes in their lives.
VirtualAvailable
Empowering
Solution oriented
Open-minded

Specialties

Anxiety
Depression
Grief
+10
Hi, I’m Megan Cole, a Licensed Clinical Social Worker licensed to practice in North Carolina and Virginia, and living in North Carolina. I earned my master’s degree in social work from UNC Chapel Hill in 2008 and became clinically licensed in 2021. My career has been spent in physical and mental healthcare, with a focus on hospice, chronic illness, and caregiver support. I specialize in supporting people facing serious or life-limiting illnesses, as well as those navigating caregiver stress, anxiety, anticipatory grief, and grief after a loss. I also have extensive experience working with individuals and families through adoption, infertility, miscarriage, and pregnancy loss. I know how stressful, lonely, and scary major life changes can be, and want to be a safe, nonjudgemental presence for you to sort out your complex feelings, and discover your capacity for healing and growth, even in the darkest of times.
VirtualAvailable
Solution oriented
Warm
Intelligent

Specialties

Anxiety
Coping Skills
Self Esteem
Hi! I'm a licensed clinical social worker, licensed to practice in New York, Virginia and Florida. I acquired a master’s degree in social work from Columbia University and have a master's degree in psychology from NYU. I have been practicing for 16 years working with clients experiencing a wide range of issues that may include one or more of the following: low self confidence, relationship issues, anxiety/overthinking, depression, coping with life changes as well as parents facing challenges with their children. I believe in treating everyone with respect, sensitivity, and compassion. I will tailor our sessions to meet your unique and specific needs. My approach pulls from many different therapy styles blended with a direct, no-nonsense approach. I am here to support you in taking the steps towards building a more peaceful, fulfilling and authentic life.
VirtualAvailable
Authentic
Direct
Open-minded

Specialties

ADHD
Anxiety
Trauma and PTSD
+10
Hi there! I'm Anne! Whether you're healing from narcissistic abuse, mending a broken heart, battling burnout, or wrestling with anxiety and depression, I want you to know one thing: you're not alone on this journey. My practice is a safe haven for those who've weathered these storms. I've dedicated my career to creating a warm, judgment-free space where your story matters and your feelings are valid. I don't believe in one-size-fits-all therapy. Instead, we'll work together to find an approach that resonates so that you feel heard and understood. We'll unpack the heavy emotions, develop coping strategies that actually work for you.
VirtualAvailable
Authentic
Warm
Solution oriented

Specialties

Men's Issues
Racism
Trauma and PTSD
+10
My practice assists Black clients across North America who are impacted by a range of concerns including trauma, anxiety, and depression through a racially-sensitive treatment approach. We also work with individual clients seeking to improve their self-concept by understanding and processing the impact of historical and generational racial trauma on their relationships with themselves, their families, their friends, and their partners. I am a therapist who strives to fully understand my clients and their needs to create an optimized approach to meet their goals. I specialize in working primarily with individual adult clients to help them deal with issues such as infidelity, communication, stress management, anger management, relationship building, sexuality, etc. At Yolo Therapy, our ultimate goal is the well-being of our clients. For various reasons, many clients are unable to access traditional therapy settings but I do not believe that should prevent them from receiving exceptional services. I have catered my practice to the needs of those who need alternative options to therapy and am here to help you. ****Please note: Your initial session is ONLY TO ASSESS FOR THERAPEUTIC COMPATIBILITY. ****
VirtualAvailable
Open-minded
Solution oriented

Specialties

Anger Management
Anxiety
Self Esteem
+4
I am excited to spend this time with you during your time of need. I believe therapy is a great tool to help you work through some of the difficulties that you face. I am a firm believer that once you have some good tools in place you will find yourself capable of handling anything life throws your way. I only will serve evening and some weekend hours.
VirtualAvailable
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Specialties

Couples Counseling
Eating Disorders
Health/Medical Issues
+8
I have over 15 years experience providing therapy and case management including in the areas of: Anxiety issues; Medical and chronic pain issues; sexual relationship struggles and relationship/couples challenges; phobias; eating disorders and body image challenges; Post residential and outpatient maintenance therapy for continued abstinence and sobriety from substance use and eating disorders; fertility and conception issues; LGBTQ and gender concerns; and couples counseling (without legal involvement). I am distinguished by my training in Strengths Based Therapy, Cognitive Behavioral, Pain Reprocessing Therapy, Emotional Freedom "Tapping" technique, Acceptance and Commitment, Mindfulness, and Contemplative Care. I am licensed in CA, ID, VA, FL, TX, NJ, and WA. ** I do not provide services for individuals/couples involved in active litigation, divorce proceedings, or child custody disputes, nor do I provide court-ordered evaluations or expert testimony related to injuries or work place harassment". There is a way out. Those who come to see me are often at a crossroads, frustrated at how they are trying to deal with problems and seeking workable strategies and solutions to cope. Therapy is meant to be a space to feel welcome to talk about thoughts, feelings, and behaviors that are problematic. Understanding unhealthy behaviors, frustrations with life, and/or unsuccessful efforts to cope can help reveal the obstacles that may block your path to growth and desired outcomes. Why do we explore? So you can live a life YOU want to live!
VirtualAvailable
Authentic
Solution oriented
Open-minded

Specialties

Couples Counseling
Family Conflict
Parenting
+11
Hi I am Joseph Wall, I am a LPC ( Licensed Professional Counselor) in PA and VA as well as a LMFT ( Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist) In Virginia . I specialize in Relational issues in Marriages, Couples, Families, and for Individuals . I focus on attachment based interventions , helping people become Safe, Secure and Stable in the world around them.
VirtualAvailable
Solution oriented
Warm
Authentic

Specialties

First Responders/Healthcare Workers
Grief
Parenting
+10
As a licensed clinical social worker, I am committed to collecting evidenced based "tools for my toolbox" to aid those grappling with finding the new normal after their world has shifted. I most love helping people find language to describe their losses, often when there has been difficulty finding the words, inspiring people to find hope again, and facilitate the development of a plan to move forward in a way that both honors their experiences and embraces the future. I take an action-oriented, collaborative approach to therapy. I utilize a combination of psychoeducation, storytelling, and evidenced-based interventions to offer meaningful insight to support clients’ healing. I strongly believe that rock bottom is the foundation upon which we can rebuild our lives. We do regular check-ins to review progress along the way. Our goal is not to change the past, but instead to find some relief from symptoms that impact daily functioning. I will solicit feedback regularly during sessions for takeaways to gauge progress and curate treatment interventions based on what is most engaging and productive for the individual client.
VirtualAvailable
Frequently asked questions

Why filter by Virginia rather than a city like Richmond?

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Why use Gender, Age, and Identities filters?

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What happens during the first therapy session?

Your first therapy session is for you and your therapist to meet each other and to ask any questions that you have about the counseling process. This is where you can expect your therapist to do the same as they will ask questions to gain insight into your specific situation. In this first session the therapist is doing their part to gather as much information so they can better assess if they are able to meet your therapeutic needs. Depending upon your provider's specialty, you may also discuss the methods the therapist will use. For additional information on therapy methods, please visit the Grow Therapy Help Center.Some people feel nervous before their first appointment, and that is totally normal! Coming prepared with a list of questions for your therapist may help. Remember, you're taking a brave step by seeking therapy, and it is okay to be nervous as you try something new.