EAP:Evernorth Therapists in Colorado

Hello, and thank you for being here. My name is Alyssa Cristadoro, and I am a Licensed Professional Counselor in both Colorado and South Carolina as well as a Registered Yoga Teacher. My experiences as a therapist encompasses different settings and populations, including supporting those in inpatient hospital settings, partial hospitalization programs, and outpatient therapy. I am passionate about facilitating a space in which all parts of you feel heard, seen, and supported. I believe the path that we walk on as human beings gets disorienting and difficult, often testing us more ways than one. My goal is to support you on this path, acting as a guide along the journey of coming home to yourself.

As a social worker for twenty years, I have seen both the incredible hardships that people face as well as human resilience and adaptability. I became a therapist because I believe that healing happens best when we feel seen, heard, and accepted—just as we are. In therapy sessions, I use humor, warmth, and genuine respect to create a safe and supportive space for that purpose.

Deborah here. I look forward to helping clients with a variety of issues. My career began in 2005 which includes working with adults and couples, bringing life experiences and knowledge to the counseling room. Working environments include Addiction treatment, incarceration, and the girl next door, so to speak. Every client is unique, and you are too. We will find the right interventions and tools to help you develop and increase quality of life.

I am a Colorado Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist with extensive experience working with: individuals in the midst of grief and other major phase-of-life transitions like divorce, job loss, legal challenges, etc.; teenagers who are struggling with a variety of mental health challenges; couples and families that are struggling to find common ground; and fractured families prior to, during, and after divorce. Building strong families, even through divorce or custody battles, incarceration, or other prolonged periods of estrangement, is a particular area of focus for me. I offer reintegration therapy services for parents and children who have experienced short- and long-term separation or alienation. I love working with families who want to find a way to function better post-divorce. In addition, I spent a decade working for the Alzheimer's Association, which included counseling individuals and families who were facing a diagnosis of dementia. Prior to venturing into the counseling field, I ran a non-profit that operated a 100-bed homeless shelter, a family transitional housing program, and an eight-unit supportive housing project for Veterans. I have a heart for working with military veterans and their families -- having 22 years of service in the US Air Force myself. I served on Active Duty for 6 years, and after a break in service, completed another 16 years as a Reservist. My spouse served alongside me, with each of us deploying twice. Our son is currently serving as well. Therefore, I have been the deployed service member, the spouse left to manage things back home, and the mom watching her "baby" deploy to far-off places. There is almost no part of military service I do not understand through first-hand experience.

Hi, I'm Emily and I've been practicing as a therapist for the last seven years. I began my own healing work when the coping strategies I relied on - and the mask I wore to get through life - finally stopped working. Under all the pain was a desire to live more honestly and deeply, and its what eventually led me to become a therapist. This is the kind of space I now intend to hold for others.

Hi! I’m JaShonda Atkins, a Licensed Professional Counselor in Louisiana and Colorado and the owner of Live Out Loud Counseling and Consulting. I earned my master’s degree in Mental Health Counseling from Louisiana Tech University and have been in the mental health field for 10 years. My approach is goal-oriented and person-centered, focusing on helping individuals navigate anxiety, depression, trauma, and life transitions. Using evidence-based techniques, I provide a supportive space—both in-person and via telehealth—where clients can heal, build resilience, and create meaningful change in their lives.

Hi, I’m Danielle Dickson, a licensed therapist dedicated to supporting adults on their journey toward healing, balance, and self-discovery. I create a compassionate, grounded space where you can explore life’s challenges, deepen your self-awareness, and reconnect with your inner wisdom. My work integrates evidence-based approaches like CBT, DBT, and IFS with an existential lens that aligns the mind-body-soul connection as we work together to heal old patterns, align with your values, and cultivate lasting change.

My name is Ashley Connolly and I am a licensed professional with over 15 years of experience treating a wife variety of mental health issues. I work collaboratively to help you become aware of your strengths and start finding solutions that will enhance your life. I believe within each of us lies the solution to any life challenge, and it is my role to help you uncover your innate wisdom and inner strength to heal. My style of therapy can be described as compassionate collaborative, holistic and directive. We will work together to develop your goals for therapy, and my approach will be tailored to your specific situation and personality. You can heal your life and I am here to help! I received my BS from Northwestern Universty and my graduate degree from Loyola University. In addition to my years in private practice, I have worked as an addictions, grief, DV, career and crisis counselor. I also am in long term recovery and offer an intensive therapeutic sober coaching program.

Hi, I’m Deb! My goal is to create a space where you feel fully heard, supported, and understood. Life can be challenging, and navigating relationships, identity, and external pressures isn’t always easy—but you don’t have to face it alone. With a deep understanding of the unique challenges that come with balancing personal and cultural expectations, I’ll walk alongside you as you explore your path. Reaching out is already a brave step, and together, we’ll find clarity, strength, and confidence to move forward in a way that feels true to you.

My passion is to work with women and their families to help them discover new possibilities and purpose throw empowerment and self-discovery, despite what they may have experienced emotionally, mentally and physically. My goal to create an environment where they feel safe and accepted. My goal is to help women and their families learn how to navigate through life transitions and cope with change in a healthy way.

You are the expert of your own life—your experiences, feelings, and thoughts are invaluable guides to your mental well-being. In my practice, I take a Whole Health approach to counseling, supporting you in a way that honors your unique needs. I believe that true change comes from nurturing every aspect of your life, including diet, exercise, sleep, and more. My goal is to help you unlock your potential and cultivate lasting growth, using your insights as the foundation. If you’re ready to invest in your mental wealth, I’m here to support you every step of the way. My path to becoming a mental health provider began with a deep curiosity about the human experience and a genuine desire to help others find meaning and healing in their lives. Growing up, I witnessed firsthand how life’s challenges can impact our well-being, and I saw the profound difference that compassionate support can make. These early experiences inspired me to learn more about how we cope, grow, and ultimately thrive, even in the face of adversity. As I continued my education and personal growth, I became increasingly drawn to the field of mental health. I was captivated by the resilience and wisdom people bring to their healing journeys. I realized that being a provider would allow me to walk alongside others as they navigate their unique paths, offering guidance, encouragement, and evidence-based tools to support their goals. What truly motivates me is the belief that every person has the capacity for growth and transformation. I am honored to help create a safe, supportive space where clients feel heard, respected, and empowered to make positive changes. My journey as a provider is rooted in empathy, curiosity, and a commitment to whole-person care, and I am grateful every day for the opportunity to support others.

With over 15 years of professional experience, I am committed to helping others find ways to be their best. I want you to be successful. Because of that, I work hard to find out where you're stuck in life and how to get you to feel better. I am licensed in Colorado and Texas. I graduated from Adams State College in Colorado where I enjoyed living in the San Luis Valley, taking day hikes on the weekends and taking in the majestic mountain views.

I hold a PhD in Counselor Education and Supervision and am a Licensed Professional Counselor. My specialties include working with individuals experiencing suicidal ideation and/or self-harming behaviors, anxiety, bipolar disorder, depression, and stress. I also offer support for children's and adolescent mental/behavioral health, gender identity, LGBTQIA+ issues, life transitions, and intimate/romantic relationships. Please note I am not licensed to work with couples and families.

Swell and Stone Therapy was founded by Noelle Guinn, LCSW, whose journey began in wilderness therapy across Utah and Hawaii. With a passion for healing, travel, and the outdoors, Noelle brings warmth, experience, and authenticity to her virtual practice. She holds a Master’s in Social Work from Colorado State University and lives in Estes Park with her husband and two dogs.

Hi, and welcome to First Step Therapy. I understand how hard it can be to take that first step toward healing and you don’t have to do it alone. I offer compassionate, trauma-informed therapy for adults dealing with anxiety, past experiences, and life challenges. My approach is warm, collaborative, and tailored to your unique needs, drawing from evidence-based methods like CBT, DBT, and attachment theory. I’m here to provide a safe, supportive space where you feel heard and understood. Together, we’ll work toward healing and meaningful personal growth.

Hi, I’m Morgan Whiteman. I’m a therapist, a mom to two amazing daughters, and a proud dog owner living in beautiful Colorado with my husband. I genuinely love what I do—because I believe everyone deserves a safe space to feel heard, supported, and understood. Life can be a lot. Whether you're feeling overwhelmed by anxiety, sitting with grief, or working through tough relationship dynamics, you're not alone. With over six years of experience as a Licensed Clinical Social Worker, I’m here to help you make sense of it all. Together, we’ll explore what’s weighing you down and build tools to help you move forward—one step at a time, with clarity and confidence.

Hi! I am a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist and have been in practice for almost 10 years. I work through a trauma informed lens to help individuals resolve traumas of all kinds, whether perceived as insignificant or significant, so they can be set free from their pain and live healthier and happier lives. I am passionate about helping others achieve their best selves and go on to thrive in their lives.

I am Tara, a seasoned Licensed Clinical Social Worker (LCSW) with a solid academic foundation in Communication and Social Work. I've worked with all types of people from across the globe. My therapeutic ethos revolves around empowering individuals through life's transitions, fostering growth, and igniting personal revolutions through psychotherapy. It is incredibly important to me that each person I meet walks away feeling heard and that they are one step closer to their life goal.

Since earning my Master's in Social Work in 2016, I've dedicated my career to supporting individuals through life's challenges. My journey has taken me from child protective services and a mental health hospital in Colorado, to working with individuals experiencing homelessness and addiction, and serving as a school social worker across all grade levels. Now, in Georgia, I balance my private practice with working as a clinician at a crisis center, helping those in mental health emergencies. My passion lies in guiding teenagers, adolescents, and young adults through life's transitions—whether it's school, work, or relationships—and helping them find their path forward.

I'm a goofy, positive gal with a deep well of a capacity for the richness of human emotions in all forms. I love to express myself in painting, and song, and trying new things. I love doing therapy because it's amazing to see people get breakthrough and it's truly a huge honor to walk with you for a period of your journey. I believe humans are resilient, and my job is to empower you with tools so that you don't need me anymore! It's the best when I work myself out of a job with you because we did such great teamwork, and we really found what works for you.

I’ve had the privilege of walking alongside individuals as they navigate life’s challenges for the past 30 years. It’s truly an honor to support people through difficult times and be part of their journey toward healing and growth. I’ve supported individuals working through trauma, addiction, anxiety, grief, and major life transitions. I work with people who feel overwhelmed, stuck, or uncertain—often carrying pain they’ve held for a long time. Together, we begin a journey of healing and change, uncovering what’s been holding them back and building a path forward that feels meaningful, empowering, and aligned with who they truly are. My approach is warm and grounded in evidence-based practices. I strive to help you feel safe, understood, and empowered to make meaningful changes. The work we do together can help you reconnect with yourself, build resilience, and create a life that feels more balanced and fulfilling.

Hi! I’m an experienced mental health professional and I have worked in a state hospital, many treatment centers, private practice and in state correctional facilities. I enjoy helping people overcome obstacles to live their best lives. I have enjoyed working in the field of therapy for over 20 years. I have earned a BA in psychology, a Master’s degree in Community Counseling and a Doctorate degree in Clinical Psychology.

I am a solution focused therapist. I believe in working together to resolve the challenges you may face in your life. I have combined my skills as a Masters level therapist and yoga teacher to create an integrated approach to therapy allowing people to move through the trauma stored in their bodies and cultivate a better relationship with their mind, body and soul.

I’m a licensed mental health therapist with 5 years of experience specializing in trauma, self-care, and healthy boundaries. Over the years, I’ve worked in diverse settings: including jails, methadone clinics, and mental health agencies, giving me a broad understanding of different populations and their unique challenges. Outside of therapy, I enjoy reading, playing my Nintendo Switch, and binge-watching Netflix documentaries. I’m also a proud dog mom to Lucky, my 3 year old Yorkshire Terrier who brings so much joy to my life.

Have you found yourself wondering how your life has turned out this way? Do you feel stuck in your current circumstances? My practice is focused on providing support to adults from all walks of life who are facing challenges. My 9 years of experience in private practice, inpatient substance use facilities, and community mental health treatment centers allows me to recognize that therapy is not "one size fits all". You will leave our sessions feeling understood and with a plan for your future based on your personal goals and dreams.

Hi, I’m Rossina Schroeer-Santiago — a therapist, clinical supervisor, and community-based healer committed to supporting my community on their paths to healing, growth, and liberation. My work is rooted in cultural identity and the belief that transformation begins within. Whether I’m holding space in therapy, guiding emerging clinicians, or partnering with organizations, I help people reconnect with their inner fire so they can move with clarity, purpose, and power — both individually and together.

As a Licensed Professional Counselor in Colorado and Texas and a Licensed Addiction Counselor in Colorado I have made the commitment to help others as they face adversity so as to develop a loving and compassionate relationship with themselves. I bring a wealth of experience and specialized training in addictions and mental health to my practice and there is one common theme I have noticed throughout my career, which is our self-talk. We are our own worst enemies, and this wreaks havoc on our self-esteem.

Hi! I am Mira Brady, a National Board Certified Counselor and Licensed Professional Counselor. I have been a high school counselor for 9 years, and a Licensed Counselor . I am a graduate of Prairie View A & M University, and I earned my Masters in Counseling and a Masters in Educational Administration. I have experience working with individuals and adolescents. I have worked with clients dealing with anxiety, depression, family dysfunction, mental health issues, and so much more. Everyone deserves the right to a happy and healthy quality of life. As an educator for over 20 years, I possess a deep understanding of human behavior and emotional dynamics, coupled with strong communication and empathy skills, making me well-equipped to provide effective therapy and support to individuals in need.

I'm a clinical social worker by profession. I've worked in all aspects of my field from running a statewide program to working in hospitals, federal EAPs, to community clinics and private practice. I have worked with people from many different backgrounds, but I especially like to work with people who are from communities who have historically been marginalized. We are living in challenging times. I want those clients to know I hear them and I see them.

Hi! I'm Katie, a licensed professional counselor in Colorado. I enjoy working with people to overcome trauma and other challenges in life; to encourage growth, and realize their strengths. We, as humans, are resilient we often just need someone in our own corner to help us see our own growth and strengths to become the best version of oneself possible!

Are you feeling overwhelmed by emotions, expectations, or your past? Do deeply rooted beliefs seem to hold you back from engaging with the world as you'd like? Are you striving to meet your goals but feeling lost or discouraged? Whether it's anxiety, depression, trauma, or other negative thoughts and experiences, these struggles can make life feel even more challenging. I'm here to help you navigate those difficulties and work towards a healthier, more fulfilling life where you feel empowered to achieve your goals and embrace your definition of a life worth living. I am honored to step into a role of trust and support as your therapist. I’ll meet you where you are, bringing my authentic self to our sessions. We all face challenges, and we all have the capacity to grow—I'd love to be part of your journey. Therapy is a collaboration; share what feels safe, at your pace. I'm here to provide a safe space and offer support.

Hello & Welcome, I am Dr. Watson and I am happy to see you seeking services and reclaiming your joy. I commend you for taking the first step to improving your life. As a licensed psychotherapist in IL, AZ, CO, KY, ME, CT, and OH. I have over 28 years of experience working with teens, adults, and seniors, I look forward to partnering with you through your transition and supporting you in getting back into your journey of life. I specialize in working with people in transition including integrating better balance, managing life stressors, addressing health challenges, rediscovering wellness, and mid-life changes. Other areas of specialty include grief and loss, women’s issues, post-partum adjustment, multiethnic identity development, and generalized life struggles. Together we will explore obstacles and hurdles while exploring and finding manageable strength-based changes that will improve your whole self - mind, body, and spirit. I partner with you on your journey and assist you in reclaiming your best self. Through mind-body connection and holistic approaches, I embrace creative therapeutic tools including talk, movement, music, art, and other creative avenues to ease expression of the challenges while finding your strengths and successes. My goal is to assist you in finding and retrieving your purpose while living with meaning. My clinical practice motto is “Love YOUR Journey ~ Live YOUR Life.”

Reaching out for help takes courage, and you are taking a step towards healing. Although this decision is brave, it can also be overwhelming. Life is full of situations that can leave you with sadness, anxiety, depression, or simply feeling lost and hopeless. Struggling with mental health can feel lonely and isolating. Working together with a therapist CAN change that. I find it meaningful to help clients better understand their inherent value and self-worth. In this way, while building a mutual understanding, we can find the best pace for you to take steps that can lead to growth. I am here to support you, to hear you, and to help you. I believe in a client-centered approach, meaning you are the expert on your life and I am here to help you.

Hello! I'm happy you are here. My name is Jenny Miller. I'm a compassionate counselor with a heart for helping individuals navigate the complexities of life. My practice is built on the foundation of creating a safe, non-judgmental space where children, adolescents and adults can openly explore their thoughts and feelings. With a rich background in various therapeutic modalities, I bring a versatile skill set to my sessions. Seeking therapy is a courageous and powerful step toward understanding yourself, addressing emotional challenges and building the skills to lead a more fulfilling life. Whatever difficulties life throws your way, therapy can provide a safe, confidential space to explore your thoughts, feelings and experiences. I can help you consider new perspectives, develop coping strategies and gain insight into the underlying causes of emotional pain. Together we can help you build resilience, while working through past or present struggles in a compassionate, non-judgmental way. My philosophy is centered on the belief that everyone deserves to lead a peaceful, vibrant, and fulfilling life. Whether you're dealing with anxiety, depression, relationship issues, or just seeking personal growth, I am here to guide you through your journey with empathy and expertise

As a therapist, I offer a supportive and understanding space where we can collaboratively address the challenges you're facing, whether it's persistent anxiety that feels overwhelming, the heaviness of sadness, or difficulties in your relationships. I utilize a range of evidence-based approaches, including EMDR for processing past experiences, DBT for building coping skills, CBT for understanding thought patterns, and mindfulness to enhance present moment awareness. My focus is on empowering you to heal, fostering personal growth, and developing more fulfilling and healthier connections in your life.

My work and life experiences have provided me opportunities to work with both adults and young children dealing with anxiety, grief, frustration and stress. My passion is to support those who are navigating emotions related to their current experiences and their hopes for the future. With openness and acceptance, I provide supportive, evidence-based and trauma-informed sessions to promote problem solving and coping with life's imbalances. My specialty has been working with women, mothers and young families. I have a lot of experience with navigating systems that provide support to people with developmental disabilities as well, from ages 0-8.

I work alongside my clients to empower them to choose their own future, and find the path to the future within themselves. To empower my clients, I utilize an eclectic approach based on cognitive behavior therapy, acceptance and commitment therapy, and internal family systems. I received a Masters in Social Work from the University of Texas at Arlington and have worked in both inpatient and partial hospitalization settings as well as private practice for a total of 4 years. I'm a native Texan but I also lived in Chicago for 8 years before moving back to my home state.

I have worked in the mental health field since I was 17. Over the years I have grown assisting my clients in many stages of emotional issues, through the use of CBT, Mindfulness, and teaching useful coping skills. I treat ages from 13 to 99. During sessions we will address current issues, along with looking into how the past has affected current functioning.

Let me be your guide by your side as we navigate this thing called life. Together in therapy, we will consider pros and cons of behavior, address upsetting beliefs, regulate emotions, grow resilience, make informed decisions, address mental health concerns, promote self-awareness and champion personal growth; aka heal. Also maybe, we'll laugh and cry. You’re the expert of your experiences and how they have and will continue to affect your life. You’ll drive the healing process and I’ll support you with my training. As a therapist, I'm genuinely curious about your story and what you want to take away from our time together.

I am a therapist dedicated to a deeply collaborative healing journey. My practice is built on creating a genuine connection where authenticity and curiosity are our guides. Together, we work to uncover insightful perspectives and practical strategies, empowering you to approach life's challenges and opportunities in ways that deeply resonate with your personal values and aspirations for a more fulfilling future.

Do you often see patterns in your life that you would like to change ,yet still repeat them? Counseling sessions will provide the support and guidance to understand and release emotions that keep you stuck. Relationships are key, whether it be your relationship with yourself, your partner, family member or friends, you will be able to develop self awareness and understanding of the influence of family culture and dynamics. Over 30 years as a therapist, I have worked in a variety of settings , with a wide spectrum of ages and cultures . This experience has deepened my respect for each individual's journey and the influence of their family beliefs. I help clients to acknowledge these beliefs and gradually transform and expand them to enhance rather than limit their lives. I have enjoyed working with children and adolescents and bring this experience with me , yet I am currently working primarily with adults which includes a special enjoyment to help couples to successfully transform limiting patterns and develop clear communication and listening skills. I have learned so much about life transitions through my work with trauma, hospice, death and dying, treatment foster care, eating disorders and liaison work with educational and community. These experience have strengthen my belief in human resiliency. All of the sessions are remote and I provide a phone call prior to beginning sessions where you will be able to ask questions to see if we are a good "fit" to work together.

Hello, I am a Licensed Professional Counselor (LPC) who resides in Arizona. I have an LPC in both the state of Arizona and Colorado. For more than 8 years I have worked with both young adults and adults suffering from mood disorders, chemical addictions, behavioral addictions, and grief/loss. I have specific training in grief therapy, sexual addiction, as well as trauma informed care.

Hello, I'm David. Do you go through periods of anxiety and/or depression and feel stressed out all of the time? Do you have relationship issues and would like to improve or communicate better with your partner? I'm here to help. Seeking therapy can feel scary but you're making the right choice. You deserve a safe space to heal and grow. In our sessions together, I'll meet you with compassion and evidence-based techniques so you can overcome the hangups and habits holding you back. Let's work together! I also help high performers manage work-related stress and avoid burnout. Together, we can identify what's not working and get you back to balance. We'll use a whole self approach, addressing the needs of your mind, body and spirit. I also integrate mindfulness, meditation and breathing techniques to help you develop a stronger relationship with yourself.

Hello, I'm Cheryl, a Licensed Professional Counselor (LPC) in Colorado with over 20 years of experience in counseling. I believe in treating everyone with respect, sensitivity, and compassion. My therapeutic approach is eclectic, meaning I draw from various techniques to best meet your needs. These may include Cognitive Behavioral Therapy (CBT), Psychoanalysis, and Person-Centered Therapy, among others. Each session is tailored to you as an individual, ensuring that we address your unique concerns and goals.

I'm a somatic psychotherapist in the Boulder area specializing in trauma-informed care and integrative healing. I combine evidence-based approaches with body-based methods to help clients navigate modern life challenges. Drawing from both traditional therapy and innovative techniques, I create a space where lasting transformation can occur through the integration of mind and body wisdom. Whether you're dealing with anxiety, processing trauma, or seeking better work-life integration, I offer both in-person and telehealth sessions to support your journey toward wholeness.

Hello, I’m Denise—a Licensed Clinical Social Worker with over 25 years of experience serving military personnel and their families. As a veteran’s wife of 36½ years, I deeply understand both the visible and invisible challenges that come with military life. In my work, I’ve helped countless individuals and couples navigate stress, trauma, transitions, and relational struggles by equipping them with practical coping strategies and compassionate support. My approach combines clinical expertise with heartfelt understanding, creating a safe space where healing begins and hope is restored.

Hello and welcome to my practice. I know that reaching out for support takes a lot of courage, and I deeply honor that step. I am a compassionate, warm, and down-to-earth therapist who believes in walking alongside you on your journey toward healing and growth. Whether you are feeling overwhelmed, stuck, or just in need of someone to talk to, I offer a safe, supportive, affirming, and nonjudgmental space where you can explore emotions, experiences, and goals and feel empowered and supported to fully be yourself. My approach is grounded in compassion, cultural humility, and a genuine belief in your strength and potential. I am dedicated to helping you navigate life's challenges with clarity and resilience, and therapy with me isn't about quick fixes but about building a trusting relationship where real, lasting change can happen.

Hi! I am a Licensed Clinical Social Worker (LCSW), Licensed Independent Substance Abuse Counselor (LISAC-AZ), Clinical Substance Abuse Counselor (CSAC-WI) and Independent Clinical Supervisor (ICS) based in the state of Arizona. I received my Masters from the University of Milwaukee and have been practicing for 18 years. I am also EMDR certified by the Francine Shapiro EMDR training institute. I help individuals struggling with a variety of stressors to become the best versions of themselves.

Hi! I'm a Licensed Professional Counselor (LPC) based in Colorado. I received my Masters in 2008 and have been practicing since. I am honored and enjoy helping adults in individual counseling to navigate various life experiences, stressors and challenges to become a more productive, healthy version of themselves. If we draw a circle around ourselves and then begin working on the person in the middle of that circle, we recognize that is the only person we have control over to make changes, then we begin to grow.

Hi, I’m Jessica Watson, a licensed professional counselor with over 15 years of experience supporting adults who feel overwhelmed, burned out, or stuck. I’ve worked in hospitals, schools, and neuro-rehab settings, but what matters most is that I offer real, down-to-earth care that meets you where you are. I specialize in helping people untangle anxious thoughts, lift the weight of depression, and better understand how their brain works in a world that doesn’t always make it easy.