Therapists in Illinois

I’m Kimberly M. Brooks, LCSW. I help adults and couples facing anxiety, stress, trauma, relationship strain, and emotional overwhelm find clarity and peace. My style is warm, direct, and grounding. I offer practical tools, honest insight, and optional faith-integrated support to help you heal, strengthen your relationships, and move forward with confidence. Clients often tell me they appreciate the calm space I create, the clarity that comes from honest conversations, and the steady guidance that helps them move forward.

AWAKEN + EXPAND + TRANSFORM + GROW Greetings and welcome! I'm Renee Keller, a board-certified Psychotherapist with over 16 years of experience in professionally transforming lives. My expertise lies in personal development, fostering confidence and self-expression, navigating intimacy, cultivating healthy relationships while prioritizing self-care. From traditional approaches to innovative, science-backed methods, I tailor my techniques to suit your unique needs and lead you towards your desired outcome. If you're seeking to improve a situation or circumstance and desire to become better version of you, I am accepting new clients and welcome the opportunity to level-up your life!

Hello and welcome. I am an LCSW who has 28 years of experience providing therapy to a wide array of clients. I enjoy meeting clients where they are at and helping them to discuss their issues, look at obstacles to making changes, make expectations that are more realistic, and helping them to learn new skills to decrease the negative effects on their life.

My name is Anna and I'm a Licensed Clinical Social Worker in Illinois. I partner with my clients to help them discover and transcend challenges that may be holding them back in their lives. I believe that we all deserve to live free from shame, guilt, and emotional pain. Let's build a partnership to help you create the life you desire. I believe in approaching mental health from a whole person perspective including functional and integrative health and wellness. My style is founded on authenticity which values honesty and directness. I grew up in Poland, came to the United States with my family, graduated from Lewis University, and went on to complete my Master of Arts in Social Work at the University of Chicago, School of Social Work Administration. From there, I moved to the suburbs where I reside with my two sons, and in my free times I enjoy working in my garden, reading, and taking long walks.

My name is Rafiah Maxie-Cole, and I’m honored to walk alongside you on your journey toward healing and wholeness. As a Licensed Clinical Social Worker with over two decades of experience, I’ve supported individuals through a wide range of challenges—always with compassion, cultural awareness, and unwavering belief in their capacity to grow. This work is personal. I understand the weight of grief and the complexity of emotional pain—having lost my son to suicide. That loss fuels my commitment to creating safe, affirming spaces where clients feel seen, heard, and empowered. I don’t just offer tools—I offer presence, partnership, and hope. My greatest strength lies in listening deeply and holding space without judgment. I honor each client’s unique story and walk with them as they uncover their strength, reclaim their voice, and move toward lasting change. You don’t have to do this alone. I look forward to meeting you soon.

I am Licensed Clinical Social Worker (LCSW) in the states of Florida, Virginia, Illinois and Massachusetts , with experience working with children, adolescents, families, and adults. My focus is on creating a safe, non-judgmental space where you can openly explore yours thoughts and emotions. I have training in Cognitive Behavioral Therapy (CBT), Solution-focused therapy, and mindfulness based techniques. I am passionate about supporting clients through times of change and personal growth.

Are you feeling overwhelmed by the constant demands of work, parenting, or life in general? You’re not alone—and you don’t have to figure it all out by yourself. I work with adults who are struggling to manage stress, burnout, anxiety, and depression, especially those trying to juggle the pressures of professional and personal responsibilities. I have a special focus on supporting educators and school professionals who often give so much to others that their own well-being takes a back seat. Together, we’ll create a supportive, collaborative space where you can feel heard, understood, and empowered to make meaningful change. My approach is warm, practical, and tailored to help you feel better and find a sense of balance again. Before transitioning into private practice, I spent 34 years working in public schools, helping students, families, and staff navigate life’s challenges. That experience gave me a deep understanding of how stress shows up across all areas of life—and how important it is to have a safe place to process, heal, and grow.

I am a Licensed Clinical Social Worker in Florida, Virginia, Pennsylvania, and Illinois and have been practicing for 23 years. Within my holistic practice, I incorporate mindfulness techniques such as deep breathing exercises, meditation, positive affirmations as well as utilize creative arts and movement during sessions. I work with clients who are feeling overwhelmed, overstimulated or anxious. I provide support as well as pride myself in a person centered approach, meeting my client where they are, and helping them to meet goals that they wish to achieve. I am compassionate about working with individuals facing infertility or health issues.

Do you worry about what others think of you? Feel overwhelmed often, or replay conversations in your head? You’re not alone—and things can get better. I help adults overcome anxiety, to quiet racing thoughts, and feel more confident in their daily life. I use evidence and practice based strategies to help you manage anxiety and reclaim your peace of mind. I offer a compassionate, personalized approach that meets you where you are. Together, we’ll identify the root causes of your anxiety and develop practical tools to help you feel more grounded, empowered, and in control. Anxiety can feel like a wild animal—either you manage it, or it will manage you.

I am a Licensed Clinical Social Worker (LCSW) in Illinois, North Carolina, and Connecticut. I am registered to do telehealth in South Carolina and Florida. I have over 30 years of professional work experience. I have experience in helping clients with stress and anxiety, coping with grief and loss, motivation, self esteem and confidence, & depression. I believe in treating everyone with respect, sensitivity, and compassion. I will tailor our dialog and treatment plan to meet your unique and specific needs. It takes courage to seek out a more fulfilling and happier life and to take the first steps towards a change. I am here to support & empower you in that journey.

Hello! I am a Licensed Clinical Social Worker and have been practicing in a variety of settings for 20 years. I enjoy working with clients and families to build upon skills and resilience that will serve them in their treatment journey. I have extensive experience treating trauma, mood disorders, self harm / suicidal thinking, anxiety and addiction. I believe clients can and should thrive in the therapeutic experience.

Life doesn’t come with a map—and sometimes the road takes unexpected turns. Maybe you’ve hit a season that feels heavy, confusing, or lonely. You want to feel better, but you’re not sure where to begin. That’s where I come in. I’m Stacey Wright, a Marriage and Family Therapist with over 25 years of experience helping people find light in dark moments and hope when it feels lost. Together, we’ll sort through what’s weighing you down, uncover your strengths, and help you move toward a more balanced, peaceful, and joyful life. Therapy with me is a mix of real talk, gentle guidance, and creative problem-solving. I’ll meet you where you are—whether you’re navigating anxiety, depression, grief, trauma, relationship stress, or just trying to make sense of a big life change. Together, we’ll sort through the tough stuff, build new tools, and uncover the strengths you already have (even if you can’t see them yet). If faith is part of your story, we can bring that into the process, too. I offer a space where your spiritual values can guide and strengthen your healing journey—but it’s always your choice, your pace, your path. My office is a space to breathe, cry, laugh, and start again—a place where you can show up exactly as you are. My goal is to help you find relief, balance, and maybe even a spark of joy again. When I’m not in session, you’ll probably find me thrifting for hidden treasures, crafting something colorful, cheering on my favorite teams, or playing games with friends and family. Because life’s too short not to mix a little fun into the healing process! If you’re ready to take the next step toward feeling better, I’d be honored to walk with you. Let’s begin this journey together.

Whether you are moving through a challenging season or managing ongoing anxiety, depression, or other mood concerns, therapy can offer a place of rest, reflection, and support—helping you reconnect with your authentic self and realign with your sense of purpose. I provide a safe, supportive space to explore thoughts and feelings without judgment. Together, we work towards meaningful, lasting change so you can live more fully, connected to the present moment, and more deeply engaged in your life.

I offer telehealth counseling for adults and seniors, including Medicare clients, who are navigating life’s challenges. Many of the people I work with are dealing with grief, caregiver stress, trauma, depression, or anxiety. I understand how heavy these struggles can feel, and my goal is to provide a compassionate, steady place for you to breathe, reflect, and heal. Using evidence-based approaches such as CBT, mindfulness, and supportive therapy, I tailor each session to your needs. Whether you are coping with illness, loss, or overwhelming stress, I will walk with you in building resilience and finding balance. Together, we can create space for healing, growth, and renewed hope, no matter where you are on your journey.

Hi! I live in Indiana, but I graduated from the University of Illinois @ Chicago with my Master of Social Work degree in 2001. I have been working in the field for over 25 years in many different disciplines. I worked at domestic violence shelters, with child and family services, vocational rehabilitation counselor with deaf and hard of hearing, also teaching at the college level, and hospital social work. Now, my goal is to help others get through life's struggles, make positive changes in their lives, and become more confident in themselves.

Hello and welcome! My name is Carlton Hemphill, a 34-year-old Licensed Clinical Professional Counselor (LCPC) in the state of Illinois who is also board certified (NCC). I received my Masters from Roosevelt University in Clinical Psychology-Counseling Practice with a concentration on child and families. I have been working in the field since 2015, and practicing as an independent clinician in my own private practice since June 2023

Hi, I'm Wanda, and I'm an Licensed Clinical Social Worker. I have been in mental health field for almost 15 years. I have worked in a wide variety of mental health settings, from community, private practice, and corrections. As the spouse of a retired Army veteran. I also have experience with a variety of different cultures and ethic backgrounds. I believe that each person is unique and wonderfully made. My style is warm, direct, and collaborative. I use practical, evidence-based approaches like CBT, ACT, and solution-focused work, but tailored to your pace and your needs. Whether you're working through anxiety, depression, or past trauma, we’ll focus on building real skills, self-compassion, and a stronger connection to who you are and what you want.

Hello! I am a licensed clinical social worker serving individuals in Illinois, Texas, and South Carolina. My background includes working with families who have faced abuse, neglect, and legal challenges. I have also worked as a hospice social worker, where I provided support and education to families navigating the end-of-life process, helping them prepare to say goodbye to their loved ones. In public schools, I conducted assessments and evaluations for students struggling academically, developed Individualized Education Programs (IEPs), and offered social-emotional education and individual support for students dealing with issues such as peer relationships, bullying, anger, anxiety, and other challenges that can affect their learning and growth. For several years, I have been in private practice, assisting both children and adults facing difficulties related to depression and anxiety, as well as supporting older adults dealing with lifestyle changes and health concerns. I also have experience helping individuals cope with grief. Cognitive Behavioral Therapy (CBT) is a key element of my therapeutic approach. This evidence-based method equips clients with tailored tools and strategies. Together, we will identify triggers and explore ways to alleviate the physical and emotional symptoms you may be experiencing. Having been raised in a military family and lived in various states, I have gained unique insights into community, culture, and the importance of building new relationships. I am eager to learn and develop a trusting relationship with you as we work together to enhance your well-being and foster self-compassion on your journey.

Life’s journey sometimes takes us on an unwanted detour or a journey where we lose direction. It is this passion that I strive to assist those on the path to healing from the hurts of life and finding direction on the journey. Processing of information and experiences is just one portion of the healing process. As individuals we all experience life stressors at some point in our lives. It’s when those same stressors/traumas cause our lives to unravel that I am here to help you get life back in order and on track. Each person and their journey can be unique. It is for this reason I utilize an eclectic approach in therapy to tailor treatment to match each clients needs. Therapy styles include but are not limited to solution focused therapy, strengths based, psychodynamic, EMDR, and cognitive behavioral therapy.

I have a dedicated 24 years of social services experience, with 15 years of psychotherapy experience. I started my career as a mentor for youth, in local non-for-profit programs. I then advanced to other comprehensive roles, with interchangeable titles, that ultimately focused on youth development and mentorship. I received my BA in Psychology at Purdue University & MA at the University of Chicago, School of Social Administration. Immediately, upon the end of graduate school, I began my experience with outpatient mental health therapy. Since, I have fulfilled a spectrum of diversified clinical roles, that include home-based, outpatient, inpatient, and telehealth therapy for vast developmental range- from early childhood to late adulthood. This includes specialty treatment with various therapy modalities, such as CBT, ACT, DBT, PST.

Hi this is Carol. I am a licensed independent clinical social worker in eight states. My career started in Pennsylvania where I attended Chestnut Hill College and received my Master's in Counseling Psychology, Marriage and Family Therapy Option. It continued in upstate Pennsylvania where I attended Elmira College (M.S.Ed) and attended SUNY University of Buffalo (MSW). I capped those off with a Psy.D. from Cal Southern University, Magnum Cum Laude 2012. I hold an LCSW in PA, VA, NC, TX, IL and FL. I hold an LISW-CP in South Carolina, and LICSW in RI and MA. I facilitate stress reduction meditations several times weekly on an internet platform for Mindful Leaders. I am a certified AADC in South Carolina. I am trained in EMDR methods including their substance, pain control, and grief and loss protocols. All licensures and certifications are current. I am trained in MBSR, am a certified workplace mindfulness facilitator and have almost completed my MBCT certification. I am a trainer for www.loveandlogic.com in these areas: Parenting the Love and Logic Way and 9 Essential Skills for the Love and Logic Classroom

Welcome! I'm Erica. I'm an LCSW, short for Licensed Clinical Social Worker. I've been working in the field for nearly 30 years. I enjoy helping my clients navigate life's challenges with compassion and evidence based care. Whether you're struggling with relationship issues, anxiety, trauma or simply seeking personal growth, I'm here to provide a supportive and nonjudgmental space for healing.

I am a Licensed Clinical Social Worker conducting sessions virtually in New York, New Jersey, Illinois, Pennsylvania and Nevada. I specialize in people that are going through tough times and need coping skills to manage. Life might have thrown you curve balls, and you might not be accepting of the uncertainty and the change. I'll be here to tell you that bad situations can be temporary and life changes can also be great. I specialize in helping people who fall down but get back up. I'll help you to talk about your feelings and help you to make treatment goals that you have been wanting to reach.

Are you tired of dealing with your inner thoughts alone? Do you feel as if no one understands you, and you are alone in this world? Well, I am here to tell you, you are not! I provide a supportive and nurturing environment where individuals can develop coping skills, enhance their self-awareness, and build resilience. I have assisted both adolescents and adults with overcoming trauma, suicidal ideations, mood disorders, anxiety, depression, and complex relationships. I enjoy the collaboration process that takes place when assisting clients to achieve their best selves. I believe hopefulness and intentionality are the primary components of a fruitful therapeutic relationship. Collaboration is important - together we can work on establishing concrete goals and steps for you to help reduce some of your mental health challenges, too. I know firsthand that getting help can be a challenge. I look forward to speaking with you to see if we are a good fit to partner in your journey!

I want to meet a client where they are at, therefore where one wants to start. I am genuine and authentic and want to assist someone to get the help and resources they may need to be and feel better as a person overall. I enjoy teaching skills and am constantly learning new skills and techniques to be a better therapist. I also may push at times in order to assist one to explore further what it is they are experiencing.

I map your path forward. As a veteran and an AuDHD practitioner, I am naturally fast at seeing how different parts of your life connect. Generally I see people for 1-6 sessions. This is consulting, not traditional talk therapy. You don't need to quit your regular therapist to work with me; think of this as a specialized "technical" boost to the work you're already doing. While traditional therapy often focuses on processing feelings, I focus on your mechanics. I act as a technical advisor to help you find where things are breaking down and give you a direct way to fix them. I use an eclectic mix of tools tailored to your specific situation. We skip the small talk and get straight to an honest look at how you function. This is high-speed work for people who want a clear manual for navigating trauma, neurodiversity, or big life changes with total clarity. The Logistics Consulting Model: A standalone service or a "boost" alongside your regular therapy. Where I Work: Secure online sessions in IN, AZ, TX, NH, and IL. AI Tools: I use AI to help run my practice accurately. Your consent is required. ESA Letters: High-efficiency assessments ($250 fee). Prior treatment history is required. If you are tired of talking in circles and want a direct route to understanding how you function, let’s get to work.

Hi! I'm Kristina Vaughan, a Licensed Clinical Social Worker (LCSW) in Texas. I've been a therapist for four years, and an exceptional social worker for seven years. I received my Master's Degree from the University of Houston. I help adults of all ages to heal from emotion dysregulation and self-sabotage patterns rooted in childhood trauma. I specialize in Bipolar Disorder, Depression, and OCD. If you feel like you've been living in a state of being an audience member, rather than the storyteller of your own life, then look no further. I'm the right therapist for you.

Hi there, I'm Agathe Do you feel overwhelmed by thoughts of the past or worries of the future? Are you struggling to manage relationships with family, friends and coworkers? Is it hard to take care of your needs? I practice a merriment of evidence-based therapy approaches tailored to meet your needs, including exposure therapy, dialectical behavior therapy and cognitive behavioral therapy. I specialize in trauma, anxiety, depression, women’s issues and body positivity. Together, we will process difficult feelings and identify tools that work for you so you can live your best life. We'll use a holistic approach tailored to empower you to live the life you dream of. I'm here to support you in your therapeutic journey. I look forward to working with you!

I am a licensed clinical social worker and substance abuse counselor. I am licensed in Wisconsin and Illinois and conduct telehealth sessions. I have been practicing therapy for 12 years but have been in the field of social work since 2000. My professional experience includes work in child welfare, treatment foster care, adoption, parenting concerns, substance use, domestic violence, trauma, anxiety, LGBTQIA, and life transitions.

Hello, I am Christina Sharp. I received my Masters in Social Work from the University of Missouri and went on to get my clinical license (LCSW). I reside in Missouri and I am licensed in Missouri, Nevada, Illinois and Massachusetts. I have worked for clinics and have seen clients in-person, via telehealth, and in-home. I now have my own private practice and see client's via telehealth. I am a wife and a mother to an amazing young daughter, who I love to spend my off time with. I am also an animal lover with three of my own; my 8yr old dog Phoenix, and my litter-mate 11yr old cats Radar and Ziva. My self-care includes spending time out in nature with my family, including getting my hands dirty in my garden. I enjoy reading and spending quality time with my young child. Over the winter months, I also enjoy crocheting and learning new skills.

Hi! I am an LCSW in Florida, licensed in Florida, Texas, Alabama. and Illinois. I obtained my Masters from the University of South Florida in 2000. I live in the Orlando area and have been doing telehealth since 2020. I practice a variety of approaches because not one size fits all. I believe in resiliency and have a strengths based perspective. I have worked in variety of settings including private practice, community mental health, inpatient, home health, hospice, and telehealth with wide variety of clients from children to elderly, family, couples, and group therapy as well.

Hello, I am licensed in California, Illinois, and Missouri. I have experience in helping teens, adults, couples, families, veterans, and military personnel with stress and anxiety, addictions, trauma and abuse, & coping with grief and loss. I work with my clients to create an open and safe environment where thoughts and feelings can be shared without fear of shame, blame, or judgment. You are encouraged to take the first step to seek a more fulfilling and happier life, it takes courage. I am here to support you in that process. Professional experience and additional areas of focus: Adoption and Foster Care, Cancer, Caregiver Issues and Stress, Communication Problems, Control Issues, Drug and Alcohol Addiction, Family Problems, Forgiveness, Hospice and End of Life Counseling, Impulsivity, Men's Issues, Military and Veterans Issues, Mood Disorders, Multicultural Concerns, Panic Disorder and Panic Attacks, Post-traumatic Stress, Self-Harm, Sexual Assault and Abuse, Sexuality, Young Adult Issues Clinical approaches: Client-Centered Therapy, Cognitive Behavioral Therapy (CBT), Mindfulness Therapy, Motivational Interviewing, Solution-Focused Therapy, Trauma-Focused Therapy

I’ve been in the field for 8 years now and enjoy working alongside people with various backgrounds. My previous experience as a Kaiser therapist, community mental health and private practice allows me to better help my clients. I use mainly narrative, CBT, DBTand transformational evidence based techniques to work towards well being and growth. I also have experience utilizing EMDR.

I’m Dr. Angela Jackson, a culturally competent, faith-informed therapist who helps clients unpack emotional burdens, reconnect with their truth, and begin the work that leads to lasting change. I serve adults often professionals navigating grief, anxiety, burnout, relationship wounds, and life transitions — especially those who are tired of pretending everything is fine. My approach is collaborative and grounded in CBT, narrative therapy, and cultural awareness, creating space for both honesty and healing. Whether you're carrying the weight of expectations, masking pain, or searching for clarity, I help you feel seen, supported, and empowered to grow.

Hello, I am a Licensed Clinical Social Worker in Chicago, Illinois. I earned my MSW in 2005 from the University of Minnesota. I have supported many clients experiencing life transitions such as career and relationship changes. Additionally, I have many years of experience supporting people around aging, Alzheimer's disease, caregiving and grief. I am drawn to this work because I believe everyone deserves to feel understood and supported as they face the ups and downs of life.

Hola/Hello, my name is Erica and I am a Licensed Clinical Social Worker (LCSW), fluent in English and Spanish. I use a combination of evidence-based practices, including IFS, Brainspotting, Cognitive Behavioral Therapy, Strength Based, and Gottman. I bring over ten years of experience working with adolescents, adults, families, and couples. You are the expert in your own life, and it is my goal to meet every client where they are within their therapeutic healing process. I look forward to helping and guiding you in developing new confidence, behaviors, and skills as we work on achieving your goals. I have more availability, please feel free to message me if you do not see a time/day that works for you

Hello there! Welcome! My professional path is driven by a profound dedication to inclusivity and social equity. I center my efforts on fostering mental well-being, providing essential coping skills, breaking down mental health stigma, and emphasizing the transformative and empowering nature of the healing process. In my practice, I adopt a compassionate and empathetic approach to create a secure and affirming space for clients. I guide them through their mental health challenges, helping them discover resilience on their unique journey towards healing. I firmly believe everyone should have a supportive environment to explore their challenges and embark on a personalized path to healing. I started my career as a clinician in community mental health, where I provided crucial support to individuals and families grappling with issues such as anxiety, depression, and adjustment disorders. I have had the privilege of working with diverse clients, tailoring evidence-based modalities such as CBT, TF-CBT, and solution-focused therapy to meet their unique needs. In addition to individual therapy, I have facilitated groups for adolescents and adults centered on stress management, emotional regulation, and grief. I am committed to continuous learning and growth. I am excited to bring my passion and dedication to my practice, offering a compassionate and effective therapeutic experience to individuals seeking support and transformation.

Taking the first step toward therapy can feel overwhelming, but you don’t have to do it alone. I specialize in working with children, teens, and adults who are navigating depression, anxiety, or challenges with managing emotions. My goal is to create a safe, nurturing environment where you feel heard, supported, and empowered to make lasting change. Because I believe healing begins with a strong foundation, I focus on building a genuine, supportive relationship with every client. My style is eclectic, and I strive to individualize treatment for each client. I utilize techniques from Cognitive Behavioral Therapy (CBT), Dialectical Behavior Therapy, Acceptance and Commitment Therapy (ACT), Solution-Focused Therapy, and Person-Centered Therapy. Together, we will explore your strengths, work through challenges, and create space for growth and new beginnings. If you’re ready for a fresh start, I’d be honored to walk alongside you in your healing journey.

Hello!!! I am Jeri Howell a Licensed therapist from Illinois. I have a Master's Degree in Human Development Counseling and i have been practicing for over 25 years. I want to help people recognize their own strengths and build on the resilience they already possess. I work with individuals and couples as well as teens and young adults. I am available for telehealth and in person at the Be Well Therapy Center in Mt Sterling IL.

I am Dorian Turner- Licensed clinical social worker and founder of iThriveTherapy PLLC. Providing mental health services since 2013. I work well with millennials and young adults experiencing life transitions, anxiety, depression, relationship issues and adults with serious mental Illnesses. I help my clients gain a greater awareness of their thoughts, feelings, and behaviors and develop healthy coping techniques for maladaptive thoughts, feelings and behaviors all while navigating difficulties in life.

Sherry Miller, M.S., LPC (OK, TX,WI), LCPC, (IL), LMHC (FL, MA), CSADC (IL), CSAC (WI), LADC (OK), M-CAP (FL), ICS (WI), BC-TMH. Hi there. My name is Sherry Miller. I have a Master of Science in Human Service Community Counseling from National Louis University at Chicago, IL. I pride myself in strict confidentiality; with a unique insight into my consumers. Because I have been in a program of Recovery from Alcohol, Drugs, and Codependency for the past 28 plus years I knows firsthand what it takes to find the truth of oneself and want assist you with your own unique and personal journey of self-awareness. I am dually licensed to treat mental health and substance abuse concerns. I am also licensed as an Independent Clinical Supervisor in the field of Addictions. My clinical interests include family dysfunction, addiction treatment, co-dependency, domestic violence, sexual abuse, and family, individual, or group counseling. I have over 28 years’ experience in the treatment of anger, anxiety, depression, grief and loss, behavioral issues, parent education, fearfulness, addiction issues, and co-occurring disorders. I am board certified to do telehealth (counseling over the internet) for clients that cannot make it to the office for their counseling appointment or prefer the comfort of having their counseling session in the privacy of their own home. I am experienced working with all ages, genders, and the LGBTQ community. In addition, I have experience working on a college campus with college age persons. In my free time you will find me spending time with my cats, and dogs, riding my horses, riding my bike or working out at the gym.